1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Orioles @ Astros

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, May 24, 2016.

  1. Rockets FTW

    Rockets FTW Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    Messages:
    4,676
    Likes Received:
    2,125
    Yep.

    Bregman ready.
     
  2. eric.81

    eric.81 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2002
    Messages:
    2,821
    Likes Received:
    1,492
    College ball and minor league ball - even high A and AA - are light years different. They don't play nearly every day in college, for six months at a time. They play weekend series for like 3 months and barely travel.

    The grind... it's real.

    I'm not saying Bregman couldn't come up here and mash for a few weeks, but let's let him get a little more seasoned, make sure he's ready for the long haul. I'm not saying leave him down there until he has 1,500 ABs (or any arbitrary benchmark), but he could definitely benefit from staying down a little longer, IMO.
     
  3. kevC

    kevC Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2007
    Messages:
    7,394
    Likes Received:
    5,117
    BABIP regression.
     
  4. kaleidosky

    kaleidosky Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2002
    Messages:
    15,086
    Likes Received:
    1,352
    uh, his current BABIP is at the level of his rookie year.

    If anything, I'd expect BABIP regression upward over the rest of the season, at least to last year's level. Unless you think his BABIP goes down because of the increased HR rate (and increase flyball %)
     
  5. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,836
    Likes Received:
    17,225
    But by your logic, you put college players and teenage players on the same developmental schedule. Yes, the grind is real... but so is the physical attributes that differ between a mature young adult who's out of college and a teenager.

    Its all arbitrary.... some guys get fast-tracked, make adjustments, and eventually stick. Some get fast-tracked, slump early, and never make it. Some go the ultra-patient route and have success, some fail no matter what you do because they just don't have what it takes to succeed at the MLB level.

    All players have something to learn at every level... so not going to say he's wasting his time... but if he could *help* the big league club win games now, he should be getting an imminent callup (and by imminent, I mean on June 10th).
     
  6. eric.81

    eric.81 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2002
    Messages:
    2,821
    Likes Received:
    1,492
    Nick, your reputation precedes you. I'm going to just agree with you here, as I don't want to get drawn into a week-long, thread-derailing argument about it. They'll be posting game discussions between our 10-quote, 1,500 word responses. No thanks, lol.

    I'm kidding of course. I agree with you that everyone has their own "clock." Our team sucks this year and third base happens to be a huge hole... Bregman happens to be a huge, third-base-shaped peg. I get it.

    I guess I'm trying to dampen the excitement because not many people have been successful with that time accrued/reps taken in the minors. Could he be an outlier? Absolutely - and in fact, I'd probably place a bet that he is - but I guess I'd like to just split the difference between those that are ready to start him tonight against the O's and those who want to keep him down all year. Just exercise a liiiiiiitttle bit of caution.
     
  7. kevC

    kevC Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2007
    Messages:
    7,394
    Likes Received:
    5,117
    Well now it is down because of this recent skid. Wasn't it higher than his career before this past skid? I checked when his OPS+ was like 200 a few weeks ago and remember BABIP being higher than his career.
     
  8. Nimo

    Nimo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2012
    Messages:
    13,392
    Likes Received:
    7,056
    [​IMG]
     
  9. kaleidosky

    kaleidosky Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2002
    Messages:
    15,086
    Likes Received:
    1,352
    I'm sure it was, but given where it is now, I can't imagine it was way over. BABIP can vary in general for a player, season-to-season. If he was up at .400, then I'd say yeah regression downward is due.
     
  10. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,836
    Likes Received:
    17,225
    I agree with the patient approach when there is clearly not a need. I tend to disagree that early/aggressive promotion can ruin a player (more often than it basically prolong's/delays a player's adjustment period to the majors), but if there's no way to guarantee regular playing time to a promoted player, that's also something to keep into consideration.

    This front office has shown the ability to go both ways. Aggressively promoted Correa throughout his development. Promoted McCullers straight from AA. Put Tyler White on the opening day roster when Marwin could have held down the 1B job for 3 weeks. Kept Springer down an extra half season till the team was closer to competing.

    Its clear they don't necessarily employ the universal timeline when it comes to select individuals... and they've also softened their stance about being reluctant to demote players to work out kinks.

    Anyways, good to always get opposite viewpoints. I see what you're saying. Like I said in the minor league thread, if Gomez can figure out AA pitching after just 2 games, perhaps Bregman hasn't really seen anything close to resembling quality competition in order to draw future projections on.
     
  11. cardpire

    cardpire Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2008
    Messages:
    10,809
    Likes Received:
    769
    Watching the Orioles is like watching the Astros.
     
  12. conquistador#11

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    39,179
    Likes Received:
    28,349
    how very astros from the orioles. thank you. we'll take that.
     
  13. Rox Addict

    Rox Addict Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2005
    Messages:
    20,337
    Likes Received:
    8,228
    Mcullers got through a tough inning without giving up a run ! Hope he settles in now !!!!
     
  14. stobbartjohn

    stobbartjohn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2007
    Messages:
    2,217
    Likes Received:
    57
  15. Rox Addict

    Rox Addict Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2005
    Messages:
    20,337
    Likes Received:
    8,228
    Springer roped that ball !!!!!
     
  16. conquistador#11

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    39,179
    Likes Received:
    28,349
    he is so hawt right now.
     
  17. stobbartjohn

    stobbartjohn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2007
    Messages:
    2,217
    Likes Received:
    57
    Orioles fans must be cursing that a scrub like Valbuena can own them for the entire series hahaha
     
  18. HookemHorns1250

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2007
    Messages:
    13,340
    Likes Received:
    10,187
    Crush City starting to show life.
     
  19. Rox Addict

    Rox Addict Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2005
    Messages:
    20,337
    Likes Received:
    8,228
    Is valbuena back?
     
  20. Rox Addict

    Rox Addict Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2005
    Messages:
    20,337
    Likes Received:
    8,228
    I'm picturing their board is like how this one was in April and May !!!!!
     

Share This Page