Because it would be damning. Baylor is a private school and can basically disclose what they want under certain privacy laws. Nobody is saying that we didn't do anything wrong. I'm actually telling you that we for sure had some wrongdoings. When money is involved and lot of it is involved, you can throw decency out of the window. Baylor will come out of this okay if no major sanctions are levied. At this point, it doesn't appear any will be. Can them all if it means I don't have to hear about this constantly during the season and moving forward for that reason alone.
Baylor ALUMS should be PISSED, LIVID, OUTRAGED at Briles, Starr, Waco police, Waco police, and all the other Baylor personnel who turned their back on these young women. BIG freakin difference between an alum and a fan. THIS IS ABOUT THEIR SCHOOL AND THE WOMEN/STUDENTS WHO GO TO SCHOOL THERE. First person that should be fired is BRILES. Will he be fired? HELL NO as Baylor has sold it's soul to the devil all in the name of football. They have a brand new stadium, and Baylor SUCKED ASS at football for decades. They're going to give this up? YEAH RIGHT!!! THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ANYONE BUT BRILES TO THROW UNDER THE BUS!!!! The joke of this entire FU$&ING MESS is Baylor is suppose to be a religious institution. Funny how SO MANY BAYLOR ALUMS seem to have NO PROBLEM THROWING OUT MORAL VALUES AND INTEGRITY (DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY) ALL FOR WHAT? FOOTBALL? GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK!!! I'm a UH alum, and if Herman or Sampson (or ANYONE else at UH) pulled this crap I would be LIVID and DEMAND that they be fired. I wouldn't support the school/programs until they FIRED EVERYONE INVOLVED PULLING THIS CRAP. I wouldn't watch them on TV, wouldn't go to any of the games, I wouldn't buy merchandise.....NOTHING!!!! You want to know what people think about Baylor/Waco: 1) Dave Bliss and that whole disgraceful event 2) Where women students are raped and the school/town doesn't do JACK **** 3) David Koresh I'M TIRED OF LISTENING TO BAYLOR ALUMS DEFEND THIS PIECE OF ****? To have the balls to say that you're pissed at UT or any other schools alums JUST SHOWS HOW PATHETIC THEY ARE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THAT THEY DON'T GET IT AND NEVER WILL. That is all.
We have a crook and a racist scumbag that scammed a lot of people running for President. Baylor keeping a football coach after a scandal isn't that crazy if you think about it.
I don't recall these same people freaking out when Winston was winning Hesimans and FSU is playing for national championships. The sports world decided to shrug their shoulders at the goings on in Tallahassee, and now want Baylor's flesh for some reason.
Snagged this right off of Reddit. Good rundown of the goings on. Elliott October 2009 -A female athlete, who graduated from Baylor in 2010, testified that Tevin Elliott sexually assaulted her after she passed out drunk at her apartment in 2009. November 2011 -Baylor judicial affairs officials were aware of a misdemeanor, sexually-related assault citation against Elliott in November 2011. April 2012 -A Baylor athlete (“Kim”) reported to Waco police that Elliott had forced her to have sex with him. A few weeks later, the woman and her mother said they also reported the assault to Baylor's ombudsman office and were sent to meet with the school's chief judicial officer, Bethany McCraw -A Baylor freshman (“Tanya”) reported to police being at a party and being raped twice by Elliott, who she hadn’t met before -Days later, Tanya said she went to Baylor's campus police department, asking officers if there was anything they could do for her, because she'd been assaulted by a fellow student but was told that counseling or other resources were unavailable -She was placed on probation when her grades dropped, lost her academic scholarship and left Baylor in 2013. -Both women said McCraw's response noted that Kim, also a Baylor athlete, was the sixth woman to report such an incident involving Elliott. Kim alleges that McCraw acknowledged that Art Briles was aware of all the prior accusations. -Baylor coach Art Briles announced that Elliott was suspended indefinitely for violating an unspecified team policy. He didn't elaborate and said he'd have no further comment. -Later it is reported that Elliott was arrested and charged with sexual assault, which is the first time news of any of the incidents is made public. January 2014 -Tevin Elliott is sentenced to 20 years in prison as a result of the incidents with Tanya -In all, five women who reported to police that they were either raped or assaulted -- in incidents from October 2009 to April 2012 -- by Elliott. -The suit claims Baylor did not take any action whatsoever to investigate her claim. It failed to offer her counseling or help as she struggled academically after the assault. Oakman February 2012 -Oakman is kicked off the Penn State football team for attempting to steal a sandwich and allegedly assaulting a female cashier who tried to stop him – accounts vary from him simply grabbing her wrist to get her card back (his) or more violently shoving her against the wall (hers). He was charged with some misdemeanors and it was reported publicly. June 2012 -Oakman transfers to Baylor, and his past incident was apparently public knowledge. 2012 Football Season -Oakman sits out at Baylor due to transfer rules January 2013 -Police were called to an incident of alleged domestic violence between Oakman and his ex-girlfriend. A written police report was filed accusing Oakman of assault, noting evidence of bruising and including an account from the victim of being thrown around the apartment. The victim declined to press charges -According to the report that came out today (April 25, 2016), there is evidence that Baylor was aware of the incident -No disciplinary actions were taken and the incident did not make it to the media 2013 Football Season -Oakman played in 13 games as a backup defensive end, recording 33 tackles and 2 sacks 2014 Football Season -Oakman earns first team Big 12 honors 2015 Football Season -Oakman earns 2nd team All Big-12 honors and is Baylor’s all-time sack leader April 2016 -Just hours after Starr's comments [regarding the rape scandals], the reports of the alleged Oakman sexual assault began circulating. -Oakman, having graduated, is arrested in Waco and charged with sexually assaulting a Baylor student who went home from the bar with him -The woman went to the hospital after the alleged assault and was examined by a sexual assault nurse examiner, according to the court records. Ukwauchu 2012 Football Season -Sam Ukwuachu has a freshman All-American season for Boise State April 2013 -Ukwuachu had an altercation with his then-girlfriend and roommates, detailed here (including what someone in the Boise State AD noted around what they knew and who they told it to). -Ukwuachu is dismissed from the Boise State team and transfers to Baylor (this is when all communications between Peterson and Briles would have occurred -- the debate around which is regarding how much Peterson knew and/or disclosed) 2013 Football Season -Ukwuachu is ineligible to play for Baylor in 2013, as Boise State did not support any waivers to allow Ukwuachu to play the 2013 season. October 2013 -A couple months after Ukwuachu arrived on campus, the sexual assault on Jane Doe occurs; Jane Doe goes to the hospital and a rape kit is performed, reported the incident, and in subsequent months is treated for PTSD -Sometime in the months following, the Ukwuachu incident is investigated by the school as required. A few interviews are done of the victim, the accused, the accused's roommate, and potentially other friends. The school finds it more likely than not that the incident did not occur. Rape kit is not checked and the school counselor assisting her with PTSD was not interviewed. Baylor PD does not pursue any further June 2014 -Waco DA deems enough evidence to bring charges and Ukwuachu is indicted on charges of sexual assault; the indictment is sealed and Ukwuachu name is redacted on public indictment reports; the school does not re-open its internal Title IX investigation. -[At the time] the indictment is not public knowledge or reported on by any media. Summer/Fall 2014 -Ukwuachu, under indictment, is not playing for the football team, with coaches citing "some issues", but remains on scholarship and attends the university -Victim (Jane Doe) is told that it is her responsibility to alter class schedules to avoid Ukwuachu. -Jane Doe suffered an injury, preventing her from playing soccer, cited difficulties in rehab due to emotional/psychological issues, and saw her scholarship reduced. 2014 Football Season -Ukwuachu sits out the 2014 season Spring 2015 -Ukwuachu graduates from Baylor and is accepted into graduate school there; Jane Doe transfers to another school to play soccer because of scholarship reduction and other issues -Ukwuachu is participating in strength & conditioning workouts with the team and is mentioned in interviews during summer 2015 as expected to return to play the season August 2015 -Ukwuachu is convicted of sexual assault (against Jane Doe) and sentenced to 10 years of probation. -The victim files a lawsuit against Baylor for their handling of the case December 31, 2015 -It is announced that Baylor and the victim in Ukwuachu's case reached a settlement on her lawsuit with the school. No additional details were provided, presumably as a condition of the settlement Armstead/Chatman April 2013 -Tre'Von Armstead and former practice squad player Myke Chatman are accused in a sexual assault report. Police report here. -Observations by officers at the scene and a rape exam at a hospital revealed bruises, a bite mark and scratches, and witnesses told police they believed they had heard, from downstairs, noises indicative of an assault. But the woman declined to press charges due to her level of intoxication, and Waco police effectively ended the investigation. The police report notes that it informed Baylor officials about the incident. -Police told the victim that Baylor officials had been contacted and to wait for them to contact her, but she never received a call or email from anyone at Baylor 2013 Football Season -Armstead saw limited action in the 2013 season 2014 Football Season -Armstead is the starting TE during the 2014 season and earns All-Big 12 honors September 2015 -Baylor's investigation of the allegations against Armstead and Chatman related to the April 2013 incident didn't begin until the alleged victim, encouraged by a friend who had attended a recent sexual assault prevention training program at the school, asked Baylor officials about her case in late 2015. 2015 Football Season -Baylor kicked Armstead off its football team early in the 2015 season following the results of the investigation. When Baylor coaches announced his suspension from the team, they said it came as a result of a "team rules violation." February 2016 -Armstead was expelled from school in February 2016 over the 2013 allegations. -Armstead maintains his innocence and has said he is contemplating a lawsuit against the school for their handling of the incident.
I see it the exact opposite: I heard and saw a ton of national news coverage over Winston, but have heard and seen very little national news on this.
Nationally it's been virtually ignored, because Baylor is not a blueblood household name. But I think RM95 is referring to our local keyboard warriors stacked up on the soapbox and the fainting couch. They presumably weren't half as bothered by Winston as they are Baylor, for obvious reasons.
People absolutely were. What happened at FSU is a complete travesty and people were absolutely livid on how poorly it was handled. Baylor's case involves the rape or sexual assault of at least 6 individual students with 2 football players already having been convicted. Are you really questioning why some are up in arms over it?
I never came in contact with anyone supporting FSU because I rarely deal with FSU graduates in Houston. There was never need to debate this issue because it was pretty universally agreed with everyone I knew that the whole ordeal was disgusting. With Baylor involved now, many of those affiliated view this scenario as different, for obvious reasons.
No, I'm not asking why they're up in arms over it. I'm a Baylor fan who's ****ing pissed off about it and have been calling for Briles to be fired since the latest report was released. I'm asking why people here are acting like this is a new problem in NCAA. It's been an ongoing problem for years and the sport just keeps getting more and more popular despite evidence of this happening at other universities. I hope Baylor is the straw that breaks the camel's back when it comes to this epidemic. Sadly, it looks like it won't be. Art Briles, Jimbo Fisher and probably dozens of other coaches where this is going on and it hasn't been made public yet will keep their jobs with no real consequences. It shouldn't matter to anyone more because this school is in Texas. All of these cases should matter because people's lives have been ruined. Aside from murder, rape is the worst thing that can happen to a woman. And many times it makes the victim wish they were dead anyway. I do NOT take this lightly.
For all of the UH people in here who are bashing Baylor, I hope you guys all realize that we are actively recruiting a kid who was convicted of two felony sex crimes.
You people are all overreacting. He is innocent because he is black. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/HxI_CvM3QVM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Sorry to burst y'alls bubbles, but Art isn't going anywhere. You will see when the report is released next Friday that he and the football staff will be cleared of any wrong doing. The problem all resides in the lack of the title IX office before 2014.
He committed to them, but he hasn't enrolled, and he has taken visits to Louisville, UH, etc over the Spring since he graduated and has no obligations. He can change his mind at any time and still be eligible.
