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Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Yet another negative post about Hillary Clinton from a guy who has already admitted that she has effectively won the nomination. Again, you are far more interested in your candidate than you are in winning the general. It's bizarre. You remind me of Nadir in 2000, a millionaire in a cheap suit and carrying a battered briefcase, who had to know that by running, he was making a win by the Democratic candidate far more difficult. He didn't give a damn. He was willing to throw what he claimed to be running for in the toilet in order to serve his ego. The result? 8 years of George W. Bush, a war that should never have been fought, tens, even hundreds of thousands dead and maimed, countless lives destroyed, and trillions of dollars added to the national debt. We continue to pay for that war today.

    We could face far worse from Donald "The Liar" Trump in the White House. You appear not to care, being intent on continuing the hit job the Republican Party has been ardently pursuing for 25 years. You are a hypocrite, sir, willing to put an extremist in power that will set back the social agenda in this country for decades. A bigot. An unapologetic racist. A xenophobic ass who has suggested banning Muslims from entering the country, who wants to build a gigantic and hugely expensive wall across our southern border with Mexico that he claims Mexico will pay for, yet another lie. Who is encouraging South Korea and Japan to acquire nuclear weapons so that we can withdraw from that part of the world and return to the isolationist era of the 1930's. A man that, while declaring his support for the NRA, changing his position yet again on gun control, stated that Ms. Clinton would destroy the 2nd amendment, a damned lie, yet another of a whole series of lies from the man.

    You are busy playing the fool, glynch, with all due respect. It is a very sad thing to witness, and this is coming from a man who not only agrees with most of your positions on social issues, but asked everyone to go see Senator Sanders speak at UH a long, long time ago at the beginning of this thread. You are wrapped up in your "revolution," a fevered fantasy that has you in its grip. It isn't 1968, glynch, and the Vietnam War has been over for 40 years. Sanders isn't going to take you to the promised land. He isn't a Democrat and he isn't winning the nomination, looking increasingly like a man in love with himself. A man who is being dishonest to his supporters by continuing to pretend that he can still win the nomination.

    It is his right to continue to run for the nomination, but there is a difference between running until the end of the primaries, as Hillary did in 2008, winning 9 out of the last 12 primaries in the process, and accusing her of corruption and worse, when she has been doing what every serious candidate has done while running for the nomination of the Democratic Party, raising money for her campaign, playing by the rules, as Obama played by the rules of the party in 2008. She segued from a serious challenger to a serious supporter of Barack Obama, helping him to get elected in the process, bringing her supporters with her. You have no interest in doing that, and it appears that your candidate doesn't either. If he intends to, he is showing no evidence of it.

    Get a grip on reality, if you can. If we are lucky, your candidate will, even if you cannot. This is getting beyond tiresome.
     
  2. glynch

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    It sure looks like Hillary will have more elected delegates than Sanders.

    Most of the superdelegates agreed to vote for Hillary before the campaign started or before they even knew who would run against her. Hopefully the superdelegates group will decide that they can't risk losing the election to Trump and will switch to Bernie who seems to have more momentum and sure has less negatives, and who of course those pesky polls which virtually all show Bernie running stronger than Hillary vs Trump.. By the way they are video clips of Hillary urging the superdelegates to switch to her from Obama back in 2008 dues to claims of electorability.

    You can talk of Nader who is not that applicable since he ran third party. I can talk of candidates like Romney and Dukakis and who like Hillary etc. whose turn had come but were basically weak candidates and lost.

    Hey I agree Hillary is a better bet than Trump for president and especially anybody in a swing state where their vote could make the difference I would urge folks to vote for Hillary, though I haved doubts that in states that are clearly not in play whether it is better not to vote for her or Trump.
     
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  3. glynch

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    duplicate
     
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  4. robbie380

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    The college deal sure worked out well for Bernie's wife
     
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    You know better than that.
     
  6. SF3isBack!!

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    In a year where the Dems should have an easy road to the presidency you get a Bernie Sanders who doesn't know when to quit. This was the year unity was needed in order to show that Dems were more mature than Republicans. Bernie has made the opposite happen. Looks like there is likely to be a president Trump if the dems can't unite quickly enough after convention.
     
  7. SF3isBack!!

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    It's been proven that Clinton has had the most negative media of any candidate. The problem now is Bernie is going full negative and Trump can attack her without worrying about attacks from his own party. So Hillary is running against two candidates and Trump is running against one. I like Bernie but he should have dropped out awhile ago. He's "berning" down the entire Democratic party because he refuses to admit he's lost.
     
  8. Baba Booey

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    No one has had more negative media coverage than Trump, and it's not even close.

    Where has it been proven that Hillary has the most negative press treatment? That's total bullsh!t.
     
  9. SF3isBack!!

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    Sorry you're wrong. Anyone who knows me as a poster knows I don't just say things. I research before I say. You should try that sometime. http://www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11410160/hillary-clinton-media-bernie-sanders

    Regardless of what you think of her she is also the most honest candidate as well. The practicality of her ideals is what makes her the best candidate but it also makes her boring and uninspiring as well. The fact that she refuses to get in the mud with Bernie hurts her because Sanders goes off negatively on her and it's largely unchecked by the media for it's hypocrisy. Trump is also unchecked for the large part by the media and the fact that you don't understand that is the problem with the uniformed Trump voter. Trump lies about 80% of the time but the media doesn't call him on it leaving his followers to think he's telling the truth.This also happens with Sanders. The media does this for ratings. It's why Obama jokingly but truthfully stated his dismay at the way the press has covered Trump.
     
  10. Dubious

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    108: Pay hard till the final buzzer, regardless of the score

    What we are really after here is the reestablishment of Progressive-ism as a real political choice and alternative. Both established parties are corporately owned but that doesn't mean you quit. After the votes are tallied we can come together against Trump, on sheer embarrassment if nothing else. But in the intra-squad game we are in a full court press to impress the coach so we make the team and maybe start next year.
     
  11. glynch

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    Progressive-ism? lol Get a grip on reality. Hell, you might even support unions, minimum wages and other market interferences. Screw Roosevelt through LBJ.

    Claim Hillary is the most honest candidate of all like a sfisback or you are a misogynist Bernie Bro who is responsible for Hillary being a weak candidate who may lose to Trump. This is of course only due to her having a primary opponent and has nothing to do do with her low negatives, much of the working class seeing her and Bill as status quo types that have not done much for them in the last 25 years. Besides Hillary has not been indicted, just under FBI investigation for mishandling of classified information and conflicts of interest wrt to dealings with the Clinton Foundation while she was in the cabinet.
     
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  12. SF3isBack!!

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    This is not a new concept. Having a inter party battle while the other party has a nominee hurts that candidate. Having an internal battle while having an external one is not good that should be common sense. The Dems, if they really wanted to beat Trump should be united by now. Instead Bernie is promising young voters the pie in the sky. BTW What you said would only make sense if Trump was only gaining on Hillary but he's also gaining on Bernie as well they are pretty much tied now nationally. Bernie promised a positive revolution and has gone back on his word and turned negative. Any idiot can see thats bad for the party. It's separates them and the more negative he goes the more disenfranchised people will feel when he finally steps down. They won't vote and Trump will win. Bernie is basically working for Trump right now.

    As for Hillary being the most honest candidate, its's true.
    http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fa...-honest-than-any-of-her-2016-opponents/24196/

    Like I said I don't just say things without researching them first, like many of you here in D&D who largely just make things up.
     
  13. Bandwagoner

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    Paul Begala is constantly on CNN election coverage and the media hates Trump so most would disagree with that. Secondly "Good publicity is preferable to bad, but from a bottom-line perspective, bad publicity is sometimes better than no publicity at all. Controversy, in short, sells." which is a major point in the article I guess you didn't read.

    So when the media called the race for Clinton months ago they ended it reducing voter turnout and increasing the bandwagoner effect. Despite all of these advantages, Clinton has run a horrible campaign.

    Brilliant. Almost as brilliant as

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  14. glynch

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    David Shuster on Twitter: "In latest national @NBCNews poll: Clinton +3 v. Trump (46-43%) Same poll finds @BernieSanders +15 v. Trump (54-39%). #electability"

    The superdelegates need to seriously decide whether to give Hillary the nod at the Convention if they are serious about beating Trump.
     
  15. Dubious

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    The time between our nominations and our elections is longer than most civilized country's entire election cycle. There will be plenty of time for the Trump/Clinton duel of lies, accusations and absurdities. I can't believe anyone wouldn't have an immediate gut reaction decision between them anyway.

    PANDERFEST 2016! \
    THE BATTLE OF NO CONVICTIONS!


    *double entendre intended
     
  16. Mr.Scarface

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    Bernie Sanders would lose a general election. Those polls are bogus. Bernie can't even win the traditional Democratic base (blacks, Hispanics, women).
     
  17. Mr.Scarface

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    BTW.....if you are behind by 3+million plus votes...and almost 300 delegates pledged, you dont get to win the nomination. Matter of fact, Clinton was alot closer to Obama in 08 than Sanders is now.
     
  18. Mr.Scarface

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    ONE more thing.....Hillary finished 120 pledged delegates behind obama. Sanders will finish closer to 250+ behind.
     
  19. Mr.Scarface

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    Sanders talks about rules. He is the one trying to break the rules.....trying to override the votes of the people. Im sick of his whining. Get over it......U LOST. Fall in line.....like every other loser of the primary.
     
  20. Dairy Ashford

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    Why matriculate when you can work at the coat factory, making fedoras and FUBU jerseys.
     

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