So do you delusional steven curry bandwagoners still think he's mvp

You sound like an idiot who thinks Steph Curry is good at basketball.

 

Klay Thompson is the best shooting guard in the league. That's how GSW has gotten this far.

 

I would go as far to say he is the best 2 way player in the league. He covers up a lot of Curry's deficiencies and isn't a slouch on offense. This is honestly what Harden is missing.

 

Klay played against one of the worst defensive teams in the league (Houston & Portland), while Harden was literally the one-man-offense against a top defensive team in GSW and was being guarded by slew of elite defenders such as Iguodala, Draymond Green and 'a supposedly good defender (which numbers don't suggest BTW)' Klay Thompson. Not taking into account the level of opponent's defense when referring to postseason performance is very disingenuous.

Case in point :

Klay averaged 13.5 PPG (38.6 FG%, 26.3 3P%) 4.5 RPG 2.0 APG against San Antonio this season.

Harden averaged 39.5 PPG (47.3 FG%, 36.6 3P%) 7.5 RPG 8.3 APG against Portland this year.

Is Harden really that much better than Klay? or is San Antonio a significantly better defensive team than Portland is?

And yes, GSW is still top notch even without Curry because they are literally stacked in all 5 positions. Them beating our ass w/o Curry is no surprise and is not a strike against Harden nor point for Klay. Also, Draymond Green is universally regarded as the 2nd most important player in GSW, that's why D-Green finished 7th in MVP voting whereas Klay got 0 votes. When Curry goes out, Draymond leads GSW, not Klay. Klay is a good scorer, but he doesn't contribute anything else to help his team win. Can't rebound nor pass, and has terrible ball-handling skills for a guard. His defense is known to be good, but there's no evidence of that since pretty much all defensive metrics that exists says Klay is an overrated defender. D-Greene is the 2nd best player in GSW, and Klay is the 3rd wheel.

Saying Klay is better than Harden is like saying Dennis Rodman is better than Charles Barkley, because Rodman was the 3rd most important player for the Bulls when they won 72 in the regular season.

 

Spoiler

 

Rodman is 5 rings better than Barkley.

 

I agree with a lot of this except green leads GS with and without curry.

 

Tonight showed how much of a scrub Curry is.

 

Warriors just won me some $$$$

But Ya curry was most def the MVP this year he avg 30 6 and 5 on like 50/45/90 splits that's insane.

But looking back on last year, Harden was the clear MVP and this year backs it up even more imo.

Curry went from 23 ppg to 30 and it onjy produced 6 more wins now that is still pretty damn inpressive seeing as they won 67 last year but his team is freaking stacked.

Put harden in place of curry and that team still wins 65+ games and harden avgs more than 32 a game on his normal 60+ ts. Put curry on Houston and he does not make us better or worse and he doesn't Put up 29/7/6 although he prob still shoots 50/40/90.

 

I don't agree GSW is just as good with Harden instead of Curry. They're games are entirely different. Harden sucks playing off-ball/running around screens. Curry is extremely good at it. GSW's offense is based on off-ball movement of shooters, not Curry ISO PNR with Green.

Curry is going full speed the entire time with and without the ball. Harden stands around when he doesn't have the ball.

There will also be some games Harden doesn't bring it, which results in losses to bad teams, at least 5 times a year. Curry brings it every single night.

Yeah I don't see a Harden GSW team winning 65-70 games.

 

You don't sound like you're trolling, so I'll go ahead and say you're wrong. As mentioned by digital, Curry plays off the ball very well to help his team get into a groove. harden is anti-movement.

Moreover, from 67 to 73 is historic, you simply can't label it "only 6 more wins", unless you want to sound delusional. Curry lets his teammates perform at the same time picks his spots to launch, he has gotten very good at this balance. Especially whenever Klay is hot, Curry pass him the dime every time (to a degree they celebrate each other's shot before its made).

Curry is very good at defense and helps the team in that department. Harden is Haren. Curry shows this year clearly that's he is the engine that helps the team win.

Harden shows this year clearly that his attitude/lack of effort is not liked by teammates and causes chemistry problems. The other players covered for him so much last year, that after getting paid this year, the same teammates don't care anymore to save his ass (such as in the clippers elimination game, where Harden gave up, just to have josh, Pringles and Howard storm back the series with harden sitting in the 4th). Some say harden has to ball hog cos he is the best clutch player and teammates can't make an open shot. So in this case, would you try to encourage and maximize the other four players? Or iso dribble and throw up prayers every single time? Harden is good at it, so rox still wins some games. But if other players don't ever feel involved, this is what you get: a 15-16 rox team.

Look. The dubs role players are also journeymen, probably even moreso than that of the Rockets'. You want to believe they're stacked because the system help them perform at their best. Harden does the opposite. I had posted the stats during last' year's debate... You can look it up yourself. Almost ALL of Harden's rockets teammates underperform compared to previous or later years. Ariza, brewer, Lawson, etc. or even just listen to their post games/ interviews. Curry, like any good leader, always giving credit to teammates and emphasizing on their importance. Harden? Well, you should be familiar by now.

Bottomline, if you wanna win, you build around Curry. You want headaches? Go with Harden. Curry was the better player last year. Gap got huge this year cos Harden came in out of shape and sustained his bad habits all year.

 

People are on crack. Harden doesn't move off the ball like curry does, yeah the freakin' mvp moves off the ball, you'd have to beg harden to move off ball and he still wouldn't do it. Guaranteed the Warriors lose more games with harden as their best player.

 

GSW has the deepest 1-9 the NBA has seen in decades.

Depth is what allows you to pull off gimmicks -- not 1 player!!

Never had to face the Spurs in the playoffs, cruise through the regular season against a bored NBA (the Spurs setting the home court record then losing in the 2nd round tells you?). It happens, pro league's go through a period where the majority are weakened, stopped caring or imploding.

Put KATowns in the paint with a fast moving triangle O around him, the gimmick is exposed regardless of how well GSW moves the ball.

If you want to give the MVP to the best player on the best team, that's fine. Harden is not as compatible in their system - there's no debate that Curry is more valuable to the Warriors.

But to not have the foresight, the due diligence or the gravitas to understand the context of the system GS runs , and get caught up in pointless stats that mean nothing when looking at the overall picture of teams that have played in the NBA throughout the ages... that's inexcusable not only as a fan - but as a human being.

 

CF's worst poster strikes again.

 

Still not sure of trolling... Gravitas? :grin:

Let's consider this pointless stat: 3>2. At one point, his 35/52 on shots between 28ft-50ft was netting you more than 100% on dunks. 35 x 3 = 105; 52 x 2 = 104.

Another pointless stat: Curry leads the league in finishing in the paint at 68.7%.

Since draws so much attention, he leads the league in hockey assists by a wide margin, meaning he warps opponent's defense like no other. This one is obvious. This one attribute of his is the direct cause of your impression that GS is 9 deep. Why isn't the rox 9 deep? Or even 3 deep?

He's the biggest reason for GS's success. Also, when something works reliably over time, it is by definition not a gimmick anymore. He simply can make every type of shot imaginable.

 

Are you kidding me? Rodman is WAY better than Barkley, he stuck to his role and played defense guarding the best big men in the league. Barkley was an overweight guy who didn't play any defense and coasted on his athleticism and talent, just like Melo was before he came in NBA-ready but didn't gain any additional skillset his entire career. All he did was put empty stats on bad teams and when he was finally given a chance to play with 2 aging but still ok stars he couldn't deliver.

Not only does Rodman have 5 more rings than Barkley, he can also put down Barkley and his fat ass any damn time he wants.

 

Delusional

Curry >>>>>>>>> Harden

Put Harden on the GSW and they do not win 65+ games this past season.

Put Curry on the Rockets and Rockets win more than 45+ this past season.

 

The funny thing is, if Curry had the explosive leaping ability to dunk his dribble-drive finishes, rather than simply lay them up, people would have no problem with the Jordan comparisons and many would proclaim him Jordan 2.0...Jordan with the greatest three-point shot ever.

It's because he doesn't look like a dominant athlete that people try to find excuses for why his insane production is actually not that impressive. He's "just a shooter"...who happens to have arguably the best handles in the league, is the best finisher in the paint, pulls down a lot of rebounds, plays solid defense and, oh yeah, a brilliant passer.

 

I disagree, strongly. Curry is very good at getting steals. So is Monta Ellis...and no one claims Monta is very good at defense. This is Curry's biggest weakness, and why they don't usually have him guard the other team's PG. Also, I think if he did guard opposing PG's, they would just post him up constantly...he doesn't have the body to prevent that. So, he does help his team (steals) but that doesn't mean he's very good at defense.

Harden has the ability to play great defense, but he doesn't seem that interested in doing so. Defense is as much want to as anything, so this is a serious flaw in his game. As you said, Harden is....Harden.

 

Curry's main weakness on defense is his size, yes. But he plays man defense with excellent technique, playing with proper leverage to move his man where the team's scheme wants him to go and is an outstanding team defender.

It's interesting to look at his Defensive Ratings by year (lower is better, 105 is around average):

2009-10: 111
2010-11: 112
2011-12: 108
2012-13: 107
2013-14: 104
2014-15: 101
2015-16: 103

By this measure, his evolution on defense is clear: he started out as a terrible defender his first couple of seasons, improved to below average and has since improved to above average. That matches the eye test as well, IMO.

If he were 6'6'' and 215-220 lbs, he'd likely be among the best defenders in the NBA. It's hard to overcome that kind of size deficit to be a true lockdown defender, but Curry's become about as good as he can be at his size.