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Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Brandyon, Aug 28, 2013.

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Is Briles out yet? No more rape n' shoot offense? I hope they get Singletary and just have him yell at everyone.

#641 Ziggy, Apr 25, 2016

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Very disappointing to say the least.

#642 MadMax, Apr 25, 2016
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Very disappointing to say the least.
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How this hasn't been picked up by ESPN or another major medium is beyond me. There is not even a blip about it on ESPN front page or college football page. Yet you can be rest assured that Manziel will be a topic on both Around the Horn and PTI every single day this week.

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How this hasn't been picked up by ESPN or another major medium is beyond me. There is not even a blip about it on ESPN front page or college football page. Yet you can be rest assured that Manziel will be a topic on both Around the Horn and PTI every single day this week.
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National Media is finally taking notice. Scathing opinion video from Clay Travis.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...egedly-beat-up-girl-school-did-nothing-042516

#644 Brando2101, Apr 25, 2016
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Report: 'No indication' Waco PD told Baylor about 2013 Oakman report

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...aylor-about-2013-oakman-report-145321413.html

Was Baylor notified by the Waco Police Department of a 2013 assault allegation against former defensive end Shawn Oakman?
Per a Waco PD spokesperson to the Waco Tribune, there is "no indication" that the department told the school about a police report involving Oakman and the alleged victim. Oakman is accused of shoving a woman into walls and cabinets at her apartment in January of 2013.

However, the spokesperson said that if the police told the university, it may not be logged in the incident report anyway. From the Tribune:

Swanton said there is no indication that a Waco police officer notified any Baylor employee about the incident report. Swanton also said if an officer had contacted Baylor, it would not necessarily be included in the report. He said there is no requirement for Waco police to notify any Baylor employee when a student or student-athlete is named in any police report.
“Some of the officers have different working relationships with some of the Baylor folks and will pass things along from time to time,” Swanton said. “Sometimes we share information on cases that involve their students, and sometimes we don’t. There’s no reason why we do or don’t, and again, there’s no formal policy and requirement or law that says we have to.”
Oakman was arrested earlier in April regarding accusations of sexual assault. The 2013 incident allegedly stemmed from comments from another woman on the alleged victim's Instagram posts.

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The alleged victim told police she did not want to press charges. The report notes bruising on her arms and a swollen lip. The Tribune notes that Baylor officials have not responded to requests for comment regarding their knowledge of the 2013 accusations against Oakman.

Two former Baylor players – Tevin Elliott and Sam Ukwuachu – are currently incarcerated after being found guilty on rape charges. An Outside the Lines report earlier in April detailed sexual assault allegations against two former members of the Baylor football team including tight end Tre'Von Armstead.

Armstead was dismissed from the team in September for what was termed a violation of team rules. According to the OTL report, the dismissal came at the same time a Title IX investigation into the accusations started.
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#645 Brando2101, Apr 26, 2016
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Here y'all go, something positive, someone who didn't rape someone, finally. http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/former-eagle-danny-watkins-receives-rookie-year-honors

#646 Ziggy, Apr 29, 2016
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Here y'all go, something positive, someone who didn't rape someone, finally. http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/former-eagle-danny-watkins-receives-rookie-year-honors
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a nice reprieve for the fandom I'm sure.

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Baylor officials not commenting as regents receive report on rape.
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher...cle_5a7b31fc-ff63-5d1d-aadd-0dc06be98f00.html

“The members of the Board will be guided by their faith as they make significant decisions for the welfare of Baylor students, the direction of the institution and the good of Baylor Nation.”

As current students and alumni call for transparency with the school mired in a sexual assault controversy, Baylor University’s governing body took a step deeper into the shadows Friday during its quarterly board of regents meeting.

Baylor regents received a “comprehensive briefing from Pepper Hamilton LLP,” the school said in a press release after the meeting. The briefing covered the Philadelphia- based law firm’s findings regarding Baylor’s response to reports of sexual and interpersonal violence. Baylor officials, however, declined to publicly release the long- awaited report. Pepper Hamilton was hired by the university in September to investigate the university’s responses to such situations.

Baylor spokeswoman Lori Fogleman said in an email that “the information in the release is all we have to share,” and the school did not make the board of regents chair available for an interview following the meeting. Baylor traditionally makes the board chariman available for an interview after regent meetings, though there have sometimes been exceptions because of travel.

“The Board will carefully consider the information provided in the briefing and determine how to decisively act upon Pepper Hamilton’s findings and recommendations,” according to the press release. “The members of the Board will be guided by their faith as they make significant decisions for the welfare of Baylor students, the direction of the institution and the good of Baylor Nation.”

The press release makes little other mention of the report and gives no information on the substance of the briefing.
The regents approved a $6.3 million investment on 14.5 new staff positions for Student Counseling, three new staff positions for the Title IX Office, and three new Baylor police officers, according to the press
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Baylor officials not commenting as regents receive report on rape - WacoTrib.com: Higher Education 5/13/16, 10:21 PM
release.

During the meeting, Baylor officials barred two Tribune-Herald reporters from the building where the regents met, the Baylor Research and Innovation Collaborative, which received public funds for its renovation in recent years, including funds from McLennan County and the cities of Waco and Bellmead.
Several regents declined comment as they walked out of the building Friday, with some deferring questions to Fogleman, who declined to answer questions regarding the report both during and after the meeting.

The lawyers hired by Baylor, Gina Smith and Leslie Gomez, have conducted reports on similar issues at other universities.
In 2014, they wrote a 130-page report to Occidental College and a 27-page report to the University of Colorado Boulder, both of which were released publicly.

Another report for the University of North Carolina was released publicly, and a report to Amherst College, organized by Smith while she worked for a different law firm, was also released. The Amherst report also included findings from a university task force of faculty, staff and students.
Smith and a Pepper Hamilton spokesman did not return phone messages Friday.
University officials have said little publicly regarding university responses to sexual assault, often citing student privacy laws, even when asked when certain officials were made aware of certain incidents.

Meanwhile, the Baylor community has demanded transparency from Baylor on the issue.
“I think these people should come out and be completely transparent about when they knew about all these incidents,” Baylor alumni Dax Brannan told the Tribune-Herald last month. “What they did at the time, why they didn’t do certain things at the time, and I think we should think long and hard about whether we want people like that in leadership positions at our university.”
At an event in Fort Worth last month, President Ken Starr told Fort Worth Star-Telegram columnist Mac Engel that Pepper Hamilton lawyers told him that university officials should not talk publicly about the situation.

“Quite apart from FERPA (Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act),” Starr said. “And you know the mutual litany, ‘We can’t talk about this and we can’t talk about that.’ That is the fundamental reason — we are waiting for the Pepper Hamilton report, which is to report to the board of regents — we are being very cautious about what we say.”
During the same event, Starr said he favors sharing information with the public and owning any mistakes
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher...c-ff63-5d1d-aadd-0dc06be98f00.html?mode=print
Baylor officials not commenting as regents receive report on rape - WacoTrib.com: Higher Education 5/13/16, 10:21 PM
that may have been made.

“I am in favor of transparency. Stand up, take your medicine if you made a mistake,” Starr said.
Stefanie Mundhenk, who previously told the Tribune-Herald how the university mishandled her rape allegation, questioned Starr’s calls for transparency.
“Actions speak louder than words, so his words iterate things like transparency and justice and reformation and all sorts of things like that,” Mundhenk said. “But his actions consistently show he’s not willing to back that up. Even with something so simple as promising to release a report before he knows what’s in it. That is what we call transparency. Releasing the information based on what the information contains and whether or not it’s good or bad, that’s not the definition of transparency by a long shot.”

Laura Seay, a Baylor alumna and associate professor at Colby College in Maine, said she understands that Baylor may not want a negative focus on graduation weekend but said she and alumni, parents, students, friends and faculty she has spoken with want transparency through the report.
“I think that Baylor very often falls to the temptation of institutional reputation protection and falling back on PR,” Seay said. “That really is not going to be acceptable in this case. Baylor needs to come clean so we can move forward, rather than just trying to hide behind more secrecy and more problems.”

Baylor’s handling of sexual assault allegations has come under intense scrutiny in recent months, following the August 2015 sexual assault conviction of former Baylor football player Sam Ukwuachu. In 2014, former Baylor football player Tevin Elliott was convicted of twice raping a now-former Baylor student in April 2012.

Since Ukwuachu’s conviction, several other sexual assault allegations against Baylor athletes have come to light. Former football player Shawn Oakman was arrested in April for the alleged sexual assault of a woman at his off-campus apartment. Both Ukwuachu and Oakman transferred to Baylor after being kicked off the teams at their previous schools — Boise State University and Penn State University, respectively.
A former Baylor tennis player is also being investigated by Waco police for an alleged August 2015 sexual assault of a woman, and two other former football players were accused of sexually assaulting a woman after a party in 2013.

Additionally, Jacob Anderson, the now-former president of the Baylor chapter of the Phi Delta Theta fraternity, was indicted Wednesday for the alleged sexual assault of a woman at an off-campus fraternity party in February.
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"The regents approved a $6.3 million investment on 14.5 new staff positions for Student Counseling, three new staff positions for the Title IX Office, and three new Baylor police officers, according to the press release."

I would think this hurts any case Baylor might have for not have violated (intentional or not) title 9 laws if they are hiring almost 15 new staff members. That doesn't mean anyone is guilty of anthing but it sure does suggest that they feel like they fell short in meeting the law.

"Baylor spokeswoman Lori Fogleman said in an email that “the information in the release is all we have to share,” and the school did not make the board of regents chair available for an interview following the meeting. Baylor traditionally makes the board chariman available for an interview after regent meetings, though there have sometimes been exceptions because of travel."

I mean this isn't a clearly bad sign but it sure isn't good. If they didn't want to share the report (which they are already taking flack for since the whole problem has been transparency) then there are things they just don't know how to handle however this is purely speculation. My prediction stands. Out of the post season for 2 years and the AD falls on the sword and "resigns." Briles stays as long as there is no direct evidence against him. I think he'll still have his job even if it's one of those, "well he should have known" deals. And at least 1 random assistant coach is fired because that always seems to happen and lose 20 scholarships.

More importantly, this hopefully helps change the attitude and culture at Baylor and every other school that the mistreatment of women will not be tolerated.

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More importantly, this hopefully helps change the attitude and culture at Baylor and every other school that the mistreatment of women will not be tolerated.
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I hope that's what comes out of it, assuming you're correct.

#649 MadMax, May 16, 2016
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I hope that's what comes out of it, assuming you're correct.
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I think the fact that they already made a massive staff upgrade to Title 9 makes some difference but it's likely going to come from the public response. National coverage of the story developments have been light but it'll likely get a lot of coverage when the regents reveal the results of the Pepper Hamilton report. The fact graduation was last weekend might factor into why they haven't released the report or a summary of the report despite reading it last week.

#650 Brando2101, May 16, 2016
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Watching outside the lines. Yikes this is terrible

#651 Blake, May 18, 2016
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RIP Baylor.

#652 Ziggy, May 18, 2016
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Damn.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/baylor-faces-accusations-ignoring-sex-assault-victims/story?id=39203248
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During the first rape, Tanya was shoved into the muddy ground before her pants were pulled down. After it was over, the Baylor football player allowed her to get up and walk away, but then he pushed her, face forward, into a metal fence and raped her again.

He disappeared after handing Tanya her shirt back. Dazed, Tanya made her way back into the party, found her friends, and told one of them, "I think I was just raped."

Once at the hospital, in Waco, Texas, Tanya recounted for Waco police and a nurse what had happened: A Baylor University football player named Tevin Elliott had raped her. The defensive end would end up arrested by Waco police, charged with sexually assaulting Tanya, kicked off the football team and expelled.

Days later, Tanya said she went to Baylor's campus police department, asking officers if there was anything they could do for her, because she'd been assaulted by a fellow student. She didn't ask for anything specific, but she thought maybe a campus escort or security could be provided, because Elliott remained in Waco.

There is nothing we can do, because the assault happened off campus.

A few days later, she said she contacted Baylor's student health center, seeking counseling.

There is no one who can see you now. You could, though, put your name on a waiting list. Maybe you should see someone off campus.

With final exams coming up and Tanya's schoolwork already beginning to suffer, her mother called Baylor's academic services group for assistance.

Sorry. No resources are available. Even "if a plane falls on your daughter, there's nothing we can do to help you."

Tanya, a Baylor freshman at the time, was one of five women who reported to police that they were either raped or assaulted -- in incidents from October 2009 to April 2012 -- by Elliott, who was convicted on two counts of sexual assault in January 2014 for the incident involving Tanya.

Despite being a private school, Baylor is required by federal law -- Title IX -- to thoroughly investigate allegations of sexual violence, and provide security, counseling services and academic help to those who report assaults. Part of the law's goal is to help keep victims in school.

Yet an investigation by Outside the Lines found several examples in Tanya's case, and others at Baylor, in which school officials either failed to investigate, or adequately investigate, allegations of sexual violence. In many cases, officials did not provide support to those who reported assaults. Moreover, it took Baylor more than three years to comply with a federal directive: In April 2011, the U.S. Department of Education sent a letter to all colleges and universities outlining their responsibilities under Title IX, including the need for each school to have a Title IX coordinator. Baylor didn't hire a full-time coordinator until fall 2014..............
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So Art Briles knew about this and chose to ignore it. He didn't lose control of his program rather he was complicit in its degradation, which is a lot worse. Baylor is done, Briles will probably have to step down due to pressure. Briles may not coach again other than some small time program willing to take a chance on him in a few years.

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Damn.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/baylor-faces-accusations-ignoring-sex-assault-victims/story?id=39203248
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Barely made it through the first part. Absolutely shameful.

#655 gucci888, May 18, 2016
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Woooooo nelly. Terrible look. Baylor really is shameless.

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Yeah, that's some ****ing awful ****. Where's my UT t-shirt?

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This makes me absolutely ill. Kick Baylor to the curb. This is really one of the worst things I have ever read about any university, ever. Be gone.

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This makes me absolutely ill. Kick Baylor to the curb. This is really one of the worst things I have ever read about any university, ever. Be gone.
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And Briles in jail. Not banned. Jail.

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This makes me absolutely ill. Kick Baylor to the curb. This is really one of the worst things I have ever read about any university, ever. Be gone.
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Sadly, they're not alone nor are they the highest profile school. If FSU can skate by with no sanctions, jail time or even coaches being fired, I don't see why Baylor won't. If you want to punch a wall, read Jon Krakauer's Missoula.

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