The point is, you still need the King's order. The previous poster was wondering why the Tyrell's don't just usurp everybody and storm the church. Also your scenario presumes that the King would willingly do something that could put his wife at harm... we know already that he's been torn between his mother and his wife, to the point that he was ready to ship off his mother. He won't do anything that will put Margery at risk, even if its being asked by his mother. The scene in the last episode was implied that he really just was prepared to take out (or merely threaten/scare) the high septon.... who talked his way out of it.
It is inconceivable that the Tyrells would allow their only male heir and their only female heir, literally their ONLY heirs, to be held hostage by the church and potentially executed (Loras) and humiliated/abused (Margaery) because they were obeying the King's orders. Robert's Rebellion was started because the son of the king kidnapped Robert Baratheon's betrothed. The War of the 5 Kings was launched because the North raised their banners and invaded the South because they held Ned Stark hostage. House Tyrell is the most powerful house in Westeros now and Olenna was fond of pointing out to Tywinn (and he acknowledged) Cersei's children sit on the throne solely because Tyrell forces made it happen and keep it as a reality. Mace Tyrell at a minimum would be raising his banners right now and threatening to annihilate King's Landing if his heirs are not restored to him.
If you look at the trailers for this season you will see Jaime at the head of troops preparing to siege the Sept of Baelor (I would assume with an ultimatum to the High Sparrow: hand over Margaery and Loras; enough is enough).
The Tyrell's aren't forced to use violence yet (once the trial is on, that will change). We know the grandmother was extremely upset when it all went down, so I'm sure they are working to get them back, but won't do anything too rash (like Cersei would). War was going to happen regardless of what they did with Ned, other than cede power to Stannis, because Stannis was going to fight for his right. Why would Jaime care? It seems like he would only lead the way if it were for revenge, not for freeing someone Cersei wanted put there. I guess Tommen could always order it, and Jaime would follow his order.
I understand how you may see that... but I didn't say Greyworm is plotting... he's clueless and in love... and revealing information to a woman who knows 19 languages. Missandai has no real motive to be with a guy who lacks the proper equipment for a romantic relationship, but she could see the needs for companionship that she fulfills for Greyworm, and she could be using it to gain information. In the books, the big problem faced by the unsullied is their patrol duties, and the fact that they are trained for spearwork in a group fighting system. Take them out of that element and you have problems. Also HBO took out a scene where Dany tells her never to betray her. AND one of the prophecies Dany was told, had a tid bit about her being betrayed three times. HBO was showing Varys get information regarding who funds the harpy, but no one found out who is leading the harpies and not all of the information is known yet. Furthermore, if you are showing Varys gathering information, it would make since for Tyrion to pull his weight and figure something out too. Or else he's pretty much deadweight. Anyway, it's a theory for sure, but I think the evidence is compelling if you consider the character and the fact that Missandai herself is suspicious for several reasons: -she knows far too many languages to be a simple mind. -she could benefit from being a well-promoted slave, rather than suffer at the hands of an enemy she may consider unstoppable. This creates motive. -she said "my master" -she is pursuing a pointless relationship with a eunuch. -she is getting him to talk about patrols (Tyrion points out that this is a "report," and changes the subject to not seem prying).
Well, his son....er, nephew---is the King; Jaime already failed to bring Myrcella home (alive), so he might want to do right by his family. The staging of the scene looks awesome but how it will play out is anyone's guess. I can't remember if I saw him leading soldiers under a Lannister or a Tyrell banner or both.
Yeah, but the kid is dumb and easily manipulated. Doesn't matter. That's probably not what the show will do.
I agree he would to it for Tommen (Tommen would have to ask him to do it), but I expect him to be there for revenge over Cersei.
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I can tell you that the flashbacks are significant. My problem is that I have read the books and I'm not 100% sure that they made it clear or even addressed it earlier in the series or if I just read it in the books. There are many conversations in the books between different characters discussing the Tower of Joy scene. I think the flashback is only the 1st half of that flashback as there I think (as do most others) that there will be a flashback where Bran will actually go into the tower where Ned is. The Tower of Joy could tie up a number of issues. I also think there is something to some of the people in the flashback sensing something when Bran calls out to them.
I'm not saying she isn't in with the Sons of the Harpy, but talking about her former master is meaningless. I assume Greyworm is supposed to go over patrol reports with her, so that doesn't seem like a big deal (though it would certainly be to her benefit if she was with the masters).
I agree with you that yes it could be meaningless, but at the same time missandai is a relatively boring character. Having her betray would serve the plot better and the scene itself just reeks a military guy giving away all the secrets in bed with a woman... something that happens a lot in GOT. Anyway, I'm not claiming its a 100 percent thing. It is most certainly a theory. And the fact that a slave would have motive, especially with all of the cities in the area mounted against them, could mean bad news. Someone has to betray Dany, so I'm going to put my money on her.
Further evidence... she could have been a lover to her former master... She obviously held high favor with him and may have even liked her status. Dany even points out to her that they will be going to war, and may go hungry and suffer. She assumed that the slave wanted to be free. ALTERNATELY... There is a theory she could be faceless. She says "This one's name is ...." which is that language style of faceless men. She also says all men must die... This may be far fetched, but interesting and it leaves a lot of room for HBO to do something interesting with the rather dull Mareen story.
Please note that there is an ambush for Greyworm's "patrol" at the perfect time to trap the leader of the unsullied. https://youtu.be/2StNUiYdilk
I think so far, it's a bit of a stretch to say Missandei is a double agent, but what we thought was a throwaway scene from last season, Loras doing the nasty with his boytoy, turned out to be significant when the High Sparrow used the boytoy to imprison Loras. It was valuable time dedicated to a seemingly pointless conversation, but it could be setting something up in future episodes.
