Not hard, Canada, which I'm obviously very biased and proud about even if we are America's hat. 25,000 refugees vs 10,000, and nobody thinks torture is a-ok, or that bombing is the end-all, be-all. A lot of Canadians lost loved ones on 9/11. And 26 Canadians died that day as well. That hasn't stopped Canadians from trying to acclimate Syrian Muslims to a modern, multi-cultural and secular republic. Which, BTW, is how you win at this, not mass torture rings. I didn't even vote for JT, but he's a hell of a lot better than the spectre of Trump. wait until Trump comes within a hairline of winning--the same treatment America has been meting out to foreign Muslims will come closer to home. And surely, you haven't been caught up in the NYPD's unconstitutional program?
Sure, my bad on that instance, though I'd like a link back for context. Can you show me one time I have ever called you an Islamophobe? You're in the search tab already, go for it.
Now you are just making blanket assumptions of my opinions on certain policies. Show me where I stated that we shouldn't take in refugees? In fact, in earlier threads I was arguing FOR refugees primarily because these refugees if stuck in their predicament have a greater chance of radicalization.
um, you asked which country would be more benevolent, and I gave you an answer you agreed with. I never assumed anything about your beliefs? But glad you agree with me?
Have you ever noticed the little red triangles next to the user name in quoted posts? I don't think you have, to your credit - much in contrast to New Yorker/Sweet Lou.
And even then your reasoning stands on thin ice because yes, the United States and its citizens are far bigger targets for Islamic extremism than Canada. We have more Muslims. We have more Muslims abroad eyeing us as a target. So no, Canada has not felt Islamic extremism to the extent that the U.S. has. On a daily basis, which country receives more threats my Muslim extremists? Canada or the U.S.? Add yes, it does make a big deal that those three thousand civilians murdered happened in our soil. It happened to OUR Twin Towers, to OUR city, NYC and OUR Pentagon. A similar attack in Toronto, I GUARANTEE the Islamic sentiment held by most Canadians would be altered either slightly or quite radically.
Canada receives quite a s**tton actually, and there have been 2 terror attacks, one in Parliament of all places. There's an ISIS member who specifically has a Quebecois tang who has threatened Canada, I dunno, an inordinate amount of times. And a lot of Quebecers have much closer connection to Paris and Brussels than any American ever will. Still not flipping s**t though. But this is becoming all hypothetical. You asked for somebody who would be more benevolent. I think Canada would be and I'm a citizen who has lived in the country for something like fifteen years. Not sure what you're drawing on.
good catch on the red arrows--I actually never knew haha. The post above. ^ Hey, you gotta give me at least some store credit for consistency.
You are arguing for argument's sake if you honestly are trying to stand firm on a position that Canada receives the same amount of threats as the United States by Islamic radicals.
You are arguing on nothing if you think you know anything about how Canada "would react". Unless your "white liberal" friends are Drake and his posse.
Canada hasn't been the victim of mass coordinated attacks that causes fear and division between Muslim and non-Muslim neighbors. Nor has Canada openly and freely accepted refugees in the proportions Germany, Greece and Turkey are dealing with. Muslim extremism is still an abstract thought, where one can confine the horrendous parliament shooting as acts if lone wolf's. Torture is an act of desperation, but the Canadian government hasn't been pushed into a corner to consider it. Only now are Europeans privately debating it despite the tremendous disgrace and loss of stature of Bush admin policies.
Our House of Parliament was attacked by a terrorist who killed people, no matter how abstract you want to make that, and for many Quebecers (especially those with roots in la patrie), an attack on Paris is as much an attack on their values as it is anywhere else. Yet when Marine Le Pen came here, my proudest moment was when she was completely shut out by everybody.
You are as well if you think you know anything about how Canada would react. Have you ever stayed in Toronto for longer than five days? Or in any place in Canada? I saw what happened when Lynton Crosby got involved in our electoral campaign since I was in the trenches. A Liberal majority resulted. Do you really want to claim you know anything about how Canadians think?
For myself, I generally don't go out of my way to criticize Israel unless someone is asking my opinion. Everybody already knows what the camps are. And, the only reason I have an opinion on Israel is because our country's alliance with Israel is a significant matter of our domestic politics. So, if I'm criticizing Israel, it is because of our friendship with them. Maybe so. But, I don't bother criticizing Europeans who rebuke European muslims for their anti-liberal views. Nor do I criticize European conservatives who might hold similar views. The only partial exception might be stuff that happens in France, a country I happen to be a citizen of. And that's not the discourse I see anyway. I don't see American liberals saying Europeans are evil for stopping Muslim citizens from discriminating against gays and women. What I do see are some internet warriors who feed me a regular diet of news clips about Muslims doing bad things in Pakistan or Indonesia or Libya and telling me I should believe the whole religion is a death cult, and then intimate I must be some kind of hypocrite if I'm not as outraged as they are by anecdotes of injustice on the other side of the world. I am a hypocrite in general, but there's no hypocrisy or double-standard on this issue -- I also shrug off what Republicans in Pakistan, Indonesia and Libya say.
Your assertion about how Canada would react isn't what I'm contesting. I'm contesting your assertion that Canada has been equally targeted and attacked by Islamic extremism. That is what I'm referencing when I state that you are grasping for straws.
You could call it consistency or you could call it unwillingness to learn. I think there are many who would agree with your position, including John Lennon, however, you always voice it in an apparent attempt to relativize positions or atrocities stated or committed in the name of one particular religion. As you yourself say, context matters. The following are two different things: 1) Saying that this is someone's general stance: Things would be better if there were no religions at all 2) A bunch of Islamists shooting up random people all over the world, a thread being posted about that, or hundreds of millions of Muslims saying that apostates should be killed - and then someone saying "well, all religions are bad". These two things are not the same. The first one is a general statement - fine. The second one specifically serves to relativize responsibility of a particular religious ideology - not okay.
I didn't say that s**t to you. fchowd has this weird thing where Islam like stole his wife or something, I just want him to be consistent at applying the same standard of thought he has to Islam to Christianity. I've said Islam is being pompously bad right now several times. It's not a relative thing to say that Islam is terrible, but that shouldn't stop you from calling out abuses against Islam. Here's what I have to say to you though: sure, you can talk problems. You're like a Twitter-bot programmed to cover the world's most covered news story. I get it. The day you evolve from yelling incoherently about problems and moving more to solutions is the day I start respecting you a tiny bit more. You can argue back and forth about Christianity and Islam but seeing as you're doing jack s**t to stop either of their corrosive effects, meh.
Can you stop guaranteeing s**t then? thanks. I'm sorry, I don't want to deal with your vague "Canada has never been targeted and I don't know jack s**t about how it would react if it were". Canada HAS been targeted. Equally or not, is beyond the point. I believe Canadians would hold their sanity and their ground even equally, and if you don't believe that, tell me what you have that trumps 15 years of residency. if you back off from your "guarantee", then we have no issue.
Tell me how that would look like? Because the biggest gripe I have with Islam is it's inherent desire to merge state and religion.
