I'm not offended at all, just puzzled. Why do people divide other people into these broad tents of beliefs? I'm contesting a very specific thing you said, it's kinda hard to argue with these dastardly "white liberals" who I have never experienced.
To totally dismiss the notion that 'white guilt' exists in some form is silly. Yes, there is fear amongst many white liberals to not be perceived as bigoted or racist which turns SOME of them into Islamic apologists. ^Do you believe that phenomenon above doesn't exist at all?
Here is a solution: Fill up less on gas. That would help more than anything you've ever said, for a start.
Can you at least point to a specific post by one of these said "white liberals" or an actual instance in the real world, it'd be helpful rather than arguing in this cloud of stereotypes. Like--post the Ben Affleck video or something and you're already 50% of the way to a stronger argument. I can't argue with your perceptions of whatever "white liberal" stereotype you have, neither do I think it a good debate to try to dispute your broad generalization.
While one can argue indirect causality, there is a major flaw in your argument: Oil money might enable people to act with more means on a horrible ideology. But the ideology is the root cause. So while you might argue that one should attempt to cut off the means for people who promote a horrible ideology (and I would not disagree with you), that still does not address the ideology itself as the root cause. Your logic is like saying "well, just don't buy German products" during the Nazi era, as if that solves the issue of the ideology being the root cause, and people acting on it. That might have been part of the puzzle in the response to Nazis, but ultimately, the root cause, the fascist ideology, had to be addressed and fought.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vln9D81eO60" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> How many more of these do I need to find? Is there an arbitrary number before my point is proven? Because I'll do it. It isn't that difficult to find white Islamic apologists. And obviously you will ignore my personal anecdotes, so why bother posting them?
And what exactly is your solution for that? Reformation? War? Torture? You could've said something like help UNHCR acclimate refugees to their host nation, and my respect for you and your position would be up 100%. which is not much considering where the base is, but still. Other people have problems of their own, this is evident, but I'm not sure what you constantly talking about their problems accomplishes for you or them?
Sure, Ben said some dumb things. Islam has some inherent flaws in how it treats women. Period. See it's easier to agree or disagree when there are specific instances of what you are referring to. I wouldn't generalize Ben's thoughts or ideas to a whole nebulous group of "white liberals".
You should watch that video fchowd0311 posted. You still have a lot to learn. Try less hard to upstage people who are clearly intellectually superior and more honest compared to you. Instead, read their posts, try to understand what they are saying, read the educational material provided to you. Then come back and tell us what you have learned. You are like a worse looking Ben Affleck (from that video) - trying to replace intellect and facts with faux outrage and disingenuous blabber.
Educational material? Is that what you think you do. lol. This is why I have zero respect for your argumentation and your insecurity. You're the one who clearly has issues with wanting to feel superior for some stupid reason--I have never brought up your personal life, you constantly feel the need to bring up the personal lives of others. This is a forum where monkeys fling monkey s**t at one another, there is no "intellectually superior" if you're involved. lol. Why don't you educate yourself on how to make convincing arguments, rather than blubbering into personal attacks.
It's seen through the symptoms. A prime symptom is a predicament I've stated earlier in this thread that for some magical reason, many liberals are perfectly fine with making fun of Joseph Smith and Mormonism yet are very hesitant in making fun of Islam or Muhammad himself. I've heard of hundred of magic underwear jokes but haven't heard of any jokes about Muhammad flying on a unicorn to heaven from (yes, I'll say it again) WHITE LIBERALS.
I just re-watched that discussion with Ben Affleck. His facial expressions coupled with his ignorant statements, while not listening to any of the facts explained to him, while going "na-na-na-na I'm not listening, you are bigots, I'm a do-gooder and white knight"...so annoying. Really reminds me of the intern. He obviously didn't watch it, as he was too busy (unsuccessfully) trying to come up with a clever response to the posts educating him.
I'm mixed-race, is that why I'm the exception? Liberals might be queasy about making fun of Islam, that hasn't stopped a "liberal" government from suspending civil liberties for Muslims and killing them en masse. I really don't get this line of reasoning. Do you want liberals to make more jokes about Muhammed? Liberal queasiness at being Islamophobic has not stopped Western governments from deploying near their full arsenal. The only thing left is to "make the sand glow". but if you want jokes What happened when the slave trader crossed the road?
We really needed Superman to come crashing through the wall and cranekick Batman in the jaw more than ever at that moment.
I specifically referenced the video -LOL- to help fchowd0311 make a better argument. Hey, ATW, you're reducing yourself to your "puddle of personal attacks" mode--great look for your security. Get back when you have actual solutions instead of vapors from your narcissism. Thanks.
Still laughing, b/c it's so damned true. The main point of the poorly designed cartoon is not without merit, IMHO.
So, would you call an individual who makes fun of Joseph Smith not 'having the queasiness' at being 'Mormonophobic'? It's the double standard that irks me. Because somehow being afraid to make fun of Muhammad is having queasiness at being 'Islamophpbic'. Personally I would call it 'having queasiness at being perceived as a bigot' which is a selfish desire rather than a desire to protect minorities.
Funny as an ex-Muslim who has an entire family that is Muslim who I still hold dearly, I should rationally be afraid of these infringements of civil liberty against Muslims, yet for some reason I'm not... Maybe because you are exaggerating these claims of infringement of civil liberties against Muslims? Show me a region/culture/state that would be as benevolent to the same religious entity that was explicitly used to justify the murder of 3000 civilians in one day. Obviously Europe isn't handling it as well as we are.
so you mean like "white people" everywhere. kidding. I'm partially joshing you. I'm not a big believer that people are "phobic", I don't really care about people's underlying motivations especially if I don't know them. We all do have our biases, but I don't know enough about any of you and even less about the people you've talked with. I don't think I have once called either you, or ATW an Islamophobe and I've been very deliberate at avoiding that term because I don't think it is helpful at all. I don't know either of you beyond the specific beliefs you enumerate on this forum. Period. As a result, I'd also avoid namecalling "white liberals". I'm not really inclined to argue with you over vague general groups that are ill-defined to me. Give me specific examples and I'll agree or disagree though.
