Your viewpoint may be different from that of a European because we are confronted with the massive intolerance displayed by many Muslims in Europe at a much larger scale. Case in point: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...se-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law Also: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html We are talking about (officially, unofficial numbers may be significantly higher) at least about 5 % of the English population here. I could cite examples from other European countries, but you get the idea why this is of more concern to a European than to an American (in addition, Muslims in the USA have a higher level of education on average).
It already is too late for that. Let's not pretend stereotypes of how American liberals treat Muslims have actually any effect to stopping the mass torture/killing of the same, or the suspension of their civil liberties contrary to the Constitution. Lots of existential threats to clean up in America before even thinking elsewhere.
For the record, and as stated previously, I am neither a fan of Trump nor of any discrimination against Muslims. That said, and while it is very unfair to the individual Muslims who do not hold views like gays should be killed and women should always have to obey men - if someone has an unfavorable view of people who hold such views, who is the bigot? The one who has an unfavorable view of someone who thinks gay people should be killed, or the one who thinks gay people should be killed?
both. Like you said, it is unfair to the Muslims who don't hold those beliefs. That's the whole point of not being a bigot--not applying blanket judgements to people (and incidentally not wanting to enact stupid-ass policy as a result). If somebody wants gay people to be killed, they're a dumbass plain and simple. I have noticed being super-religious might be correlated with that, but there are a hell of a lot more of the Christian crazies than the Muslim ones in America. And yeah, fighting against the Christian crazies by litigation in the court system also helps prevent any irrational animus, whether inspired by Islam or the Spaghetti Monster. Discrimination in America has a lot bigger fish to fry. FYI- I'm not saying that's good, but it's a far cry from what you suggest, and it doesn't warrant stereotyping en masse. http://www.people-press.org/files/2011/08/muslim-american-report.pdf
This one stood out to me. Even two thirds of US Muslims themselves, when asked, admit that there is at least some support of Islamic extremism among U.S. Muslims.
Yeah, and two thirds of all Americans want to violate the Constitution by torturing prisoners. this is of course, led by a dude with a ~35% chance of becoming president. guess what percentages scare me the hell more. Out of existential threats to the rule of law and the republic in America, Muslims rank something like #45, and that's not counting their role as the eternal victim of these misguided policy proposals.
I don't know how you consider condemning both Christian and Muslim crazies "losing the argument", but thanks for your input bigtexxx-o.
Great, thanks for the input, dude. You must really care about the Constitution. Got anything else for the thread? Or do we want to talk about how defeating the social conservative agenda helps protect America from Islam? Double win in my books. ~~~come troll with me~~~
Honest question, how does an individual claim they practice a religion...yet not follow some of the rules the religion has? How do you say i follow this majority but ill omit this this and this?
Fair point. lol. I wouldn't hire/raise money for me either, thankfully I don't make the hard choices - yet.
Last point on this: if anybody condemns and actively fights social conservatism in America, they're doing more to insulate a secular republic from religious dogma than anybody else. Religious crazies are all fruits of the same poisonous tree -> a defense from one group is a defense from all of them (a strong secular republic that aims to destroy all traces of irrational animus). I don't want Ms.Obama Shirt to insult Republicans--that's bush league. Work to destroying the vestiges of their agenda that deserve to die. As a bonus, you'll have a Republic that is just as strong against extremist Islam as it is against Scientologists. I can't think of anything more disgustingly hypocritical than people fighting over whose religious dogma is "better"--besides people who condemn other people for not doing more when they do nothing. And yeah, I generally dislike stereotypes that "liberals" are being pansies about Islamophobia given what policies have been endorsed and largely accepted for use against Muslims. So much for that.
I'm not sure he'd have enough time to fetch me coffee, given the fact that he spends so much time on the internet. So, no.
breh, you have more posts per day than I do. that's a weak point of attack XD I'd work on automating you, what do you do exactly besides post here? Nice to hear your thoughts btw: ~~~troll times~~~
