Not sure this thread deserves a serious response, but this is mine: I have a problem with Republicans and Muslims advocating against women's rights and gay rights in the United States of America. When they're abroad, talking about policy in their own sovereign countries, I don't really like it but I also recognize I do not have a seat at the table in their policy making.
So you think human rights end at borders? Does that mean you are saying a sovereign state government can pass laws to murder gays or women or a specific race and your reaction is merely to shrug and say "I don't have a seat at the table in their policy making"? Or do you think that, at the very least, people should voice their disapproval (where they still can)? Taking your "I don't have a seat at the table" logic further, do you think that all other countries - had they not been attacked - were right to just watch or should have just watched as Hitler's Nazis murdered Jews, homosexuals and handicapped people? Because they didn't have a seat at the table?
I saw JuanValdez voice his disapproval ("I don't really like it"), I'm not sure what you have against him stating a fact: what he can actually do about it is very little besides that. I'm not going to assume his beliefs though. I'm not exactly sure what you've done on this issue besides post numerous forum threads? I'd hope every thread of yours would come with a donation to UNHCR with this level of indignation, or an op-ed calling for some kind of solution?
I see you constantly posting your anti-USA rhetoric. That's quite a bit more than saying "I don't really like it (shrug), but since I don't have a seat at the table, that's it". So when you care (anytime it's anti-USA, even though you were allowed to become a resident, at least temporarily), you know very well how to "actually do" more than "very little besides saying I don't really like it".
I see you constantly posting personal garbage when you try to deflect from the point. What exactly have you done on this issue that JuanValdez hasn't? Post threads on Clutchfans? Somebody should line you up for a Nobel Peace Prize.
I understand as a citizen of the most powerful country in the world we have some influence on the internal affairs of foreign countries. And, if we don't like what they are doing, we have a range of tools to try to influence their behavior up to and including warfare. I think we should be judicious and wise on how we use that power but I don't think we should just sit idly by and watch atrocities unfold. But all of that has nothing at all to do with the internet pastime of posting articles about backward people doing evil things in foreign countries and then heaping shame upon them. That does me and everyone else no good at all. I have imbued the US Government to act on my behalf in interacting with foreign nations, and if we as a country through our government want to do something about the injustices committed in foreign countries I'm all for it (so long as it is wise). I'm not going to do it as an individual. But, it's totally different talking about domestic politics. In domestic politics, we're engaged in a political marketplace and it is totally my business as an individual to voice an opinion on what my fellow citizens say and do and advocate for. They are beholden to me and I am beholden to them. So, yeah it makes a big difference. Folks that want to point out the 'hypocrisy' like in this cartoon are papering over this distinction to make a false equivalency. You'd say I don't condemn the persecution by Muslims loud enough while complaining about much smaller infractions by Republicans -- acting like the difference in my relationships with Republicans in my own city and Muslims living in Pakistan doesn't matter at all. It's not hypocrisy at all (not that there's anything wrong with that).
Your utter hypocritical apathy is more pathetic than anger-stirring. Not worth wasting negative energies on. Your derailment attempts are classic you. What can I say? If you're not going to get to the point of what you do that justifies you having this haughty attitude on the issue, maybe you should put up or shut up. What are you doing that JuanValdez isn't? Otherwise, go and do nothing and have fun doing it Your threads really are making the difference in the war on religiosity and human rights abuses. A+
To those who, like the intern, get very angry about this cartoon: Are you actually denying that there is a double standard on the left? Conservatives get vilified for attitudes or statements that are very mild compared to those of a very large percentage of Muslims, while Muslims get a free pass from the left, even though the attitudes, statements and actions of Muslims are clearly more intolerant when it comes to gay people and women's rights, even compared to super-conservative Southern Baptists, for instance.
I already responded to your cartoon. Both Religious Conservatives and Muslims should have the irrational edges of their religiosity tamed by a secular state. Destroying the power of religiosity helps dull both destructive forces. That's not the point though--I am calling you out about the fact that you're calling out other posters for saying they can do very little in situations outside the United States when you have done nothing at all in the United States or outside of it. Put up or shut up, and stop trying to misdirect. Again- have you done anything more than JuanValdez? Ever?
Last I checked Muslims in America aren't policymakers or a significant voting demographic. Conservatives though, make laws or vote in large numbers for conservative candidates. There is only a comparison if you have an agenda.
and really, your pet obsession notwithstanding, all of them are f**king nuts. Fruits of the same poisonous tree. http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/0...e-killing-gays-but-isis-is-actually-doing-it/ Unearth the ******* tree.
So your argument is that you don't call out bigoted views and statements until they reach a significant voting demographic in your own country? But isn't it too late by then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
Unless its Israel. Then its perfectly acceptable to criticize every action they make openly and often. Lots of seats open at that table.
The cartoon is terrible, but I understand the (hyperbolized) premise. Still, that cartoon is terrible and really undermines the central argument to the point where this thread will in any universe devolve into the state it has now.
