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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. davidio840

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    I think this goes for the traditional conservative as well. It seems to me that the distrust of the government has gone so far that a vote for Trump is a vote for spite. The worse a president Trump can be, the more effective a vote is at being spiteful. Presidents have gone too long disappointing this voter segment and they feel like the system is gamed to continue creating this outcomes. Trump is their best shot at breaking the system. Never mind it's the citizen that suffers. So, I've been hearing various Republican establishment guys say they can't support Trump, he's a fascist and a moron, a demagogue and a cult of personality. And, I can just imagine the Trump supporter saying, "Good. Serves you right." The Trump supporter has insulated himself from criticism by interpreting every criticism as a desperate attempt by the Establishment to stave off the reckoning they'll bring through Trump. The more they call Trump a fascist, the more Trump supporters will see him as a genuine outsider and want to vote for him. Because they don't want a good president, they want to break the government.

    I've always thought Evangelicals were a hard group to read, primarily because there isn't a very good correlation between who I know as 'evangelicals' in a religious sense and those defined as evangelicals in a political statistical sense. I've read some anecdotal comments from latter that leave me bewildered, considering what I know of the former. I have stopped thinking about the Christians I know when I think about evangelicals as a political category.
     
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    Rubio politely says 'Ick' and no thank you to the prospect of being Donald Trump's vice presidential nominee. Who can blame him.

     
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    Nobody has given you props for this, but you are staying true to your word unlike a lot of "republicans." It's good that a lot of the GOP is recognizing (like I did a couple of years ago) that strict party allegiance isn't what is best for the country. Attacking a guy like Trump and comparing him to cancer, then moving to support him is shameful.
     
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    This is like JBB taking himself out of the running for head coach of the Rockets.
     
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    I don't think he would do it even if asked. Trump has crossed a certain line of "piss-off". There is a reason that so many candidates and people are refusing to endorse him.
     
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    My point is that he would never in a million years be asked by Trump to be his running mate.
     
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    And the fact that all of these Republicans that I have never been a fan of are starting to get behind Hillary, who they've said is a criminal and unfit for office, is further proof to me that I am on the right side (Trump's) and they are nothing but blow-hard hypocrites.

    Hillary being embraced by neocons is not a good look, in my opinion. I cannot wait for the debates. This is going to be wild.
     
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    Donald Trump's choice as a running mate is going to be very interesting.

    Does he double down and attempt to get all the Evangelicals by picking Palin?

    He would certainly get an incredible amount of media coverage with Palin, but would be viewed as an even less credible candidate.
     
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    Zero percent chance.
     
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    Thank you. To be fair, I do not actually consider myself to be a Republican and have not for over 20 years now. Of course we are now finally starting to see Republicans break for the exits in large numbers, as this is just too much.

    No person of principle will vote for either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, and any person who does is not a principled person.
     
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    I'm thinking Joni Ernst. Very conservative woman. She's a Senator- so she has some of that insider credibility and she was in the military.
     
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    Or it could be interpreted as that they are uniting against a greater evil?:confused:
     
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    I'm not a Trump supporter, but I think Baba Booey's post does speak to how a lot of Trump supporters feel. There is a massive disconnect not only between parties, but also between the GOP elites and the rest of the party.

    There's a book that came out years ago, called what's wrong with Kansas? I haven't read it in ages, but basically it examined how there's all of these people in particularly agrarian areas voting against their best economic interest because of social issues- and how the modern GOP is a broken marriage between coastal, economic elites and social conservatives. A friend of mine, who's from a real blue collar, working class neighborhood in Maryland, told me that he was well aware that folks like his parents were getting ****ed over economically by GOP policy, but that they couldn't stomach Democrats' social policies.

    To your point, I do think this is a case of the guys on the top "uniting against a greater enemy" as you said, but I think that that's a mix of wanting to preserve the party, not wanting to lose Congress, and personal disgust of how Trump ran his campaign.
     
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    Or it could be interpreted that they are uniting to maintain the status quo.
     
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    One of Trump's delegates openly advocated for the deportation of all non-white Americans. He's now removed due to a "database glitch".

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-ineptitude-stumbles-into-white-nationalism/

    Trump bows to PC and "computer glitches" one of his most ardent supporters.

    just lol.
     
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    I could not disagree more. A vote for Hillary Clinton in the general is a vote for sanity on the Supreme Court. Of course, you may prefer right-wing extremists populating the highest court in the land.
     
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    I agree and this is the essential message of the leaders of the GOP who are funded by folks who need to discredit government if they are to ever get their extreme wealth to be free of taxes.

    Also of course the social conservatives were lied to as a ruse to get their votes. The GOP corporatists and Wall Street folks never gave a crap if their fellow execs were black or gay or trans or having abortions.
     
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    I hate to agree with liltexx, but Trump is notable for not having much practice not answering questions.

    Much as I like him Bernie has this skill highly developed, to. Of course some loaded gotcha questions by some of the corporate journalists do not deserve to be answered.
     

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