I just think it was the best superhero film ever made in my opinion. I don't think anything beats it. Storyline, Characters, Acting were all great. Spiderman was there to help Tony and we all know he was apart of the Avengers so why wouldn't he be introduced in this manner. I think it was excellent the way they introduced him and Panther and what they did with Ant Man. The movie could have ended after the airport scene and still would have been one of the best action movies ever made.
Tony should get it on with Aunt May and produce a cousin for Peter Parker. How cool would it be to have Spidey and Iron Man have family ties? Besides, Tony and Pepper had already broken up yeah?
Saw it last night. Definitely deserves a passing grade, but it's absurd to think it's Rotten Tomatoes rating would be a whooping 63% higher than Batman v Superman. Certainly it's not that much better of a movie than BvS, and honestly I prefer BvS more because I prefer the darker, more serious tone, and I loved Batfleck. This is top 5 in MCU, behind GotG, Winter Soldier, Avengers, and Iron Man I. Random spoilery notes/complaints: Spoiler I mean, the writers have already introduced ALIENS into MCU, so realistically speaking, why would the normal humans intentionally try to create discord by limiting their power through UN "agreements"? Sure, there's going to be collateral damage, but that's what happens in ANY battle, so why should the Avengers be held to a higher standard, especially when you consider how many they've saved with their actions? Again, there's f***ing EXTRATERRESTRIALS in this universe. Probably not the best idea to try to piss off the only people capable of defeating them. I thought the Ant-Man movie was alright, but wow Paul Rudd was NOT GOOD. His only redeeming quality was blowing up in size in the main fight. They did a good job introducing Spidey, but I'm just turned off by the kiddie, casual nature of how they portray him. Especially considering that at the time, a new global threat was already introduced. This is why I've never been a huge Marvel fan. Just too much unnecessary comedy and it's hard to take them seriously as a result. Vision would fit more in DC Universe. He's clearly too overpowered and basically shouldn't have been included in the movie. He could've single-handedly resolved all conflicts on his own, but of course that would be a boring movie. Is it possible they just won't kill off Captain America at any point in MCU? I think he's too valuable of a character at this point to Marvel and Bucky so as hell won't be able to replace him in terms of popularity. What was the point in not killing off War Machine? It's pretty comical that no one of any value actually died during a movie titled "Civil War". Would've added a lot more emotion to the movie at that point, and Iron Man's recklessness would've been far more justified. To the above point, is it really necessary for a person's side-effect for being a superhero to be completely illogical and irrational? C'mon Stark, you're my favorite MCU character but it should've been obvious that the main villain is intentionally trying to play you. It was pretty obvious Bucky killed your parents while under mind control. Black Panther was a very welcomed addition to MCU. The actor portraying him was excellent. I thought he stole the show. I was not impressed with Hawkeye in this one.
Spoiler For your first point, the point was to have them in "control" when there wasn't an Alien invasion or some huge world ending event. The Colonel guy who presented the accords stated that the UN would vote when and where the Avengers should be sent. So I'm sure if there was an alien invasion they would vote to send them. They had a problem with them being involved in whatever conflict they chose to handle without supervision.
Marvel is like the Apple of Hollywood. People will eat it up even though they follow they same formula...with a few added features. Marvelsheep.
To add to marky's point... Spoiler Thaddeus Ross (Colonel / Secretary of State) isn't doing this for purely selfless, "for-the-good-of-the-people" reasons IMO. He hates Hulk and probably at the very least strongly dislikes "powered people" - especially those who have fought alongside Hulk. It's not too far fetched that with this motivation and the general fear of something different (and very powerful) there could be a bunch of countries around the world who want to somehow reign in the Avengers. Hell, fear is the primary motivator in politics. Plus, to go to a point many others have made and which was stated in this movie... the Avengers mainly just clean up messes that they themselves have made.
I was gonna post in this thread but it's toxic. It's Marvel vs DC all over again. Apple vs Microsoft. People are so jaded it's stupid. I remember dreaming about watching my childhood heroes go from page to big screen and obsess over Wizard magazine casting calls. Now people want to bicker about BS. That's it, I'm done checking these type of threads out.
Hawkeye seems out of place for the movie and someone did mention earlier that he looks super old. He needs to lay off the drugs or have editing to fix his face
Both Hawkeye and Black Widow are completely out of place. Black Widow is a spy, she should never be in hand to hand combat with superpeople. Same with Hawkeye, he's a long-range threat, and should never be put in close range situations.
That was like 1 or 2 posts of the thread. Doesn't really feel like there's much steam behind it... I thought General Ross was going to have a great role here, maybe filling in the void that Fury left (in a completely different way of course) - but that never happened. I felt like they squandered the opportunity to use a good character and actor at full capacity. I'm fine with it. But Whedon seemed to have a much better feel for positioning the chess pieces.
Can agree with that. Probably a time constraint thing. Here's a possible cop-out response: Since this was a Cap movie and not a general Avengers movie, it was told (mostly) from Cap's perspective. Hence why we never find out what the deal is with Tony/Pepper. As such, from Cap's perspective, Ross' history, motivations, and everything else is not as pressing a matter as keeping Bucky safe and/or stopping Zemo. But still, even with that said, you're right. Ross could have been a bigger part and that would likely have added to the quality of the film.
Spoiler My one major beef is that it turns out Cap'n was so wrong at the end (the pursuit of Zemo, hiding Bucky's past from Iron Man), and yet he was just kind of ho hum oh wells about it. Though how it all turned out was kind of cool when viewed within the larger framework of Winter Soldier (never trust the government) and AOU (Stark's self doubt, turning the Avengers over to Captain America, only for Captain America to turn it over to him at the end of Civil War).
