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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Apr 29, 2016.

  1. cangrejero51

    cangrejero51 Member

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    Agree but the question is, why are they still playing? Or why play him in clutch situations ?
     
  2. The Beard

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    This won't be a popular post, but I've never really worried about that

    And I know it's an in-exact science....but how would

    Altuve
    Springer
    Correa
    Bryant
    Rasmus
    White
    Gattis
    Any OF other than Gomez
    Castro

    Keuchel
    McCullers
    Rondon
    McHugh
    Fiers

    Look?
     
  3. kaleidosky

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    What if Keuchel was drafted by any other team that had a bunch of chances? What if Luhnow didn't take a chance on McHugh? What if Rasmus turned down the qualifying offer and we had Upton's .539 OPS for $133M?

    Yeah sorry, can't really worry about those things or deal with them.
     
  4. BossHogg713

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    IM pissed off at Giles.
     
  5. Jay713

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    It's clear that we overachieved last season. This team is still rebuilding. Luhnow did not expect us to be that good last year, and got too anxious and made bad trades (Giles, Gomez). Luhnow should be smarter than this. And, thinking that a young manager with no credentials (Hinch) could lead a team to the promise land is ridiculous. Should have brought in an experienced manager. I honestly think we are 2 years away from competing, unless a miracle happens soon.
     
  6. Nick

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    Rule of 3's this season...

    2/3'ds of the time, its been starting pitching and situational hitting... and when those are finally clicking, the other 1/3'd has been the bullpen.
     
  7. Nick

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    Kuechel did with the cy young... they did lead the league in starters ERA with a very good bullpen... and they did lead the league in HR's.

    Those weren't all flukes... and as it is, their core players are so young that they'll have to ride it out regardless of their ups and downs.
     
  8. The Beard

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    Why I said I know it is an in-exact science

    My basic point is Luhnow seems to get a free pass while Hinch gets the blame for everything....we had 3 top picks and hit on 1 of them. That's a lot different from talking about guys taken later in the draft
     
  9. The Beard

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    He will not likely ever hire a traditional manager, it's so much about analytics he will always have a guy there that will buy into that philosophy. A proven "baseball guy" isn't likely to ever manage for a guy like Luhnow

    Doesn't mean it can't work cause we almost made it to the ALCS last year...
     
  10. conquistador#11

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    i don't think they look really bad. it's like dallas said a couple of guys, i'm not going to name names are just going out there and tanking.
     
  11. The Beard

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    Dallas has been a part of the problem though

    The only consistent producers have been Rasmus, Gregerson and a couple of other pen guys....even Altuve who has put up MVP type numbers has cost us big with some stupid plays....

    To me that is the problem, it has NOT been just a couple of guys costing us, it's been team wide
     
  12. kaleidosky

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    That's a fair point and different from what I got from your earlier post.

    Regardless, it is a bit of a batting type deal. A .300 hitter is successful, and when drafting, you don't have to be right on all your picks to be good. Just the nature of risk/reward/potential in the draft. Also, he's not 1/3.. 1/2 right? Aiken --> Bregman?

    Managing issues, on the other hand, are moreso about using brain power and executing (at least the ones Hinch is having of late). These decisions don't have a success metric as low as drafting because there's less unknowns involved. Hence Hinch getting more blame right now.
     
  13. conquistador#11

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    the altuve multiple error was one game. the other game when he got caught extending we overcame. giles has been five games already. that's a difference of being .500 right now. I'm not really counting the woes from the 6-9th lineup since that's like clock work from last year.
     
  14. kaleidosky

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    Giles has been 3 games...maybe 4 depending on how you think about the Yankees game (we were already losing). Just pointing out for accuracy and to show that we wouldn't be .500 with him pitching well.
     
  15. Nick

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    Not to ever question the logic how we could never presume all games turn out exactly as expected with eliminating all mistakes... but despite the ****tyness of his performances, I still only count 3 games that Giles was one of the main contributors to the losses.... and even then, last night was the first game he literally turned from a likely win into a loss (other games were tied at the time of his runs allowed), hence he only has one blown save.

    As still crazy as it sounds... Giles has holds in 4 out of the 6 wins. Again, meaningless stat, but just goes to show you that you can't automatically presume wins even if everything goes as planned.
     
  16. Nick

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    You beat me to it... last night was the first true nut punch loss that can be unanimously attributed to Giles not doing his job.
     
  17. The Beard

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    I think Its easier to second guess a manager because we will never know what would have happened had he "done it my way"

    I can second guess the lineup and say if we did this or that we would have won, and there will never be proof that I was wrong because it didn't actally happen

    And I fully agree you shouldn't expect to "hit" on all your draft picks, but I don't think it is wrong to second guess what we got out of three consecutive number one picks, and the draft money that came with it
     
  18. The Beard

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    Right....Giles has been horrible, but we have had numerous terrible starts from pitchers and base running errors and defensive mishaps and on and on and on

    To me, that is where Hinch should be getting a ton of criticism, as opposed to him not playing someone because he got two hits two days ago
     
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    Not to sound nitpicky, but doubt we have Fiers if no Gomez. I'm just not a big fan of these types of "ideal" retrospectives. You could easily include a bunch of other guys in that list, too (e.g., JD Martinez). Hell, we've even heard clamoring for Villar and Carter recently. Everyone liked this team before the year. Let's focus on what we have and how we can improve the current team. Crazy that Keuchel has already alluded to chemistry issues in some of his quotes. Such a young team.
     
  20. SWTsig

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    What a terribly uneducated post. Most numbers last year indicate that if anything we UNDERachieved. Terrible record in one run game, great run differential, great ERA. there is plenty talent on this roster. Starting pitching has clearly been a problem this year without Lance but we've just been stupid and sloppy.
     

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