Southwest sees speaking Arabic as a threat - kicks man off flight

yeah, except the plane was held up for a plane-wide and personal search.

A pattern that has been applied disproportionately to other Muslims--excess scrutiny per lingual identity because you can't quite say "MY MUSLIM RADAR HAS PICKED UP ANOTHER ONE!" yet.

Of course, this is the smallest manifestation and the smallest ill when it comes to American treatment of Muslims. But it is the tip of the iceberg for a country that has succumbed to moral panic. And the fact people seem to regard questioning this "established procedure" or new normal as something to bait other people with is indicative of an utter inability to see just how far things have gone.

 

That take is far too rational and intelligent, some here will hate it.

 

Do you know what religion that the woman who got nervous and reported the guy's conversation was? I get that you want to whine and b**** claiming that "the man" is out to get Arabic speaking people....but you just have no basis for that whatsoever in this example. For all you know, the woman was Muslim and we know she was an Arabic speaker.

Narratives are narratives, but find an actual example of what you are trying to push before going all in so that you don't embarrass yourself like this.

 

Exactly - seems completely normal behavior.

DD

 

That is the evidence at hand. Do you see any evidence of racism?

 

let's think of aftermath here for a sec.

how hard is it for the airline to compensate the passenger , i am not talking about a refund , but something like free ticket, hotel, upgrade seat and such . its already a common practice for many circumstances

 

Thread over.

See you all at the next poo flingin'.

 

I'm not going to play games with assumptions about who the woman is, which is part of the reason why this thread is vapid. The disproportionate response by Southwest, and the unquestioning attitude to the biases that triggered it suffice. I'd like to point out that Muslims can discriminate against other Muslims though, not sure your mental models have allowed you to think that through.

Here are examples of what I'm trying to push:

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11450152/southwest-airlines-arabic-college-student

All part of the "established procedure"?

And these are only the most trivial examples of America suspending civil liberties for Muslims. Should we talk about domestic surveillance, the no-fly list, and the kill list? You strict Constitutionalist you?

 

^ ok great, now we're past step 1.

Why do you think saying the words above in Arabic are evidence of terrorism?

I don't see any evidence of racism. I'm pointing out exactly the kind of illogic you hold that you are decrying for others.

 

I don't recall seeing any compensation other than a refund of ticket price. What aftermath are you refereing too?

 

You say that, but you really are. You and Lou are assuming that she was somehow biased against Arabic speakers and that's why she reported his conversation. In fact, your whole spin is based on that notion.

You want to claim a "disproportionate response" but that's just following procedure when something like this happens. When a passenger is reported for saying things that make other passengers nervous, that's what happens. Arabic, English, French, Japanese, Italian, doesn't matter. You can be arrested for saying the word "bomb" at an airport or on a plane and the fact that someone heard what you said out of context isn't an excuse. Hell you can make a joke and this exact scenario could play out.

The kid won't get an apology because one isn't due by the airline.

 

The standard procedure is a plane-wide search and interrogation by the FBI after a joke? Can you provide some examples?

Does saying "bomb" at an airport equal saying one of the most common phrases in Arabic?

I can't speak for Lou. ->I<- don't care ANYTHING about the woman. I'm saying the "established" procedure is a joke, an excuse to cower behind a pattern of innocents getting punishment for their skin or language. It doesn't matter how small the punishment--this pattern exists. How did airlines get so far so as to display this pattern?

 

Yeah, we know.

DD

 

What you consistently fail to understand is that there is no such thing as a joke in that environment. They take all potential threats seriously, they have to.

You keep talking as if you know what the kid said and what he didn't say. You completely dismiss the person who reported what she heard him say. Is it that you view women as second class citizens and their testimony should be thrown out unless a man sees or hears the same thing or unless the person confesses? The airline doesn't care that the report was made by a woman, the way it works, you operate as if the report is accurate no matter what the other person says. It's a "be safe, not sorry" scenario.

 

good for you, here's a cookie

 

Those examples are nothing.

Just faux outrage on your part.

DD

 

um, what the actual f**k. how did you misinterpret the "I don't care about the woman's biases or whether she actually has any, it's the bias of the "standard process" to "I don't care about women." ?_?

Hey, if that's the case that this is the response to everything in the environment, you should be able to easily provide many, many examples, right? People getting kicked off, plane-wide searches, interrogation by the FBI. Let's compare.

Didn't know "looking Middle Eastern" was a joke.

 

most often on a flight, a random passenger has a medical condition , the flight staff asks for a Physician or someone at least with medical background to aid . most likely the airline will send a complementary free ticket or discount package in reward , even on West-jet which is on the same or less level of equivalent to SW did that. also if to flight delay caused a miss to another connection flight, you get sorta of compensation like upgrade seat or hotel stay. you can point a finger toward a guy as a suspect, but they still could make up for it

 

you almost got me dude

 

Quit playing games, your colors are showing. I never said speaking Arabic is evidence of terrorism. I asked a question about what the members of CF would have done if they were in the position of the flight crew. I gave a serious answer. I am awaiting yours.