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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. peleincubus

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    I've been in Newark at Penn Station with my 3 year old son at night. Good times.
     
  2. R0ckets03

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    Nobody can be this stupid man.

    The 9/11 hijackers did not live in New Jersey.

    The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia.[1] The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon. The hijackers were organized into four teams, each led by a pilot-trained hijacker with three or four "muscle hijackers" who were trained to help subdue the pilots, passengers, and crew.

    The first hijackers to arrive in the United States were Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, who settled in the San Diego area in January 2000. They were followed by three hijacker-pilots, Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah in mid-2000 to undertake flight training in south Florida. The fourth hijacker-pilot, Hani Hanjour, arrived in San Diego in December 2000. The rest of the "muscle hijackers" arrived in early and mid-2001. They had taken classes to learn how to fly the planes properly.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

    So how are New Jersey Muslims suppose to report these terrorists when they didn't even live in the same town?

    You do realize a bunch of Muslims died in the 9/11 attacks right?
     
  3. RocketsLegend

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    http://www.northjersey.com/story-ar...was-once-home-to-some-9-11-hijackers-1.592003

    The slightly rundown threestory building at 486 Union Ave. is typical for Paterson: There’s nothing special about the architecture; it’s in a transient neighborhood where no one seems to stay long.


    Twelve years later, it seems like the perfect place to hide in plain sight. For a short time in the summer of 2001, it was a safe haven for many of the terrorists who plotted the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

    Authorities believe that at one time or another during that summer, as many as 11 of the 19 hijackers who participated in the attacks spent time at this Paterson address. Federal agents swarmed the neighborhood in the frenzied aftermath, and for a time, 486 Union Ave. became notorious.

    On Wednesday, only a few people along Union Avenue knew about the building’s chilling past. And those who did know about it, including the building’s former owner, didn’t want to talk about it.

    One tenant who opened his door to a reporter, Indio Lopez, said he’s been living in the building for four months. He never knew that terrorists had once lived on the floor above his.

    “It’s surprising. I knew nothing about it,” he said.

    Berta Lopez has lived on the block for eight months but never knew.

    “Around here, the problems are drugs and crime,” she said in Spanish. “But with respect to this, the truth is I did not know.”

    Sometime in February of 2001, a Middle Eastern man claiming to be a student went to Jimi Nouri’s gift shop in Paterson and said he was looking for a one-bedroom apartment for himself and a friend. Nouri rented the apartment to the man for $650 a month. The man was later identified by authorities as Hani Hanjour, a 29-year-old citizen of Saudi Arabia who had trained to be a commercial pilot in the United States. The other man later was identified as Nawaq Alhazmi, another Saudi. They moved into the apartment in late May 2001 and stayed until Sept. 1, always paying in cash.

    Both men were among the five hijackers armed with box cutters and knives who boarded American Airlines Flight 77. They seized the cockpit shortly after takeoff from Dulles International Airport in Washington, according to the report by the National Commission on Terrorists Attacks Upon the United States, known as the 9/11 Commission.

    Hanjour is believed to have put the plane on automatic pilot and hurled it straight at the Pentagon, where it crashed, killing all 64 people onboard and another 125 people on the ground.

    Nouri, who’s still doing business in Paterson and currently raising money to help Syrian children left orphaned by the ongoing civil war, said he didn’t know Hanjour or Alhamzi before they came to him. On Wednesday, he didn’t want to revisit that fateful business transaction.

    “I really don’t want to talk about it,” he said when reached for comment. “It’s not a happy time for me. I’d really rather not go back to it.”

    The report by the 9/11 Commission found that Hanjour and Alhamzi did a lot of business in North Jersey that summer. On five occasions from July 16 to Aug. 31, they rented cars from Borough Jeep/Chrysler in Wayne and told employees at the dealership that they had traveled to Washington, D.C. Hanjour also rented singleengine planes from Teterboro Airport and Caldwell Airport that summer to fly around New York and Washington.

    Days before the attack, another hijacker, Marwan Shehhi, who was aboard one of the planes that hit the World Trade Center, bought a special high-tech cellphone at the Willowbrook Mall that could double as a walkietalkie. Two days after the attacks, FBI agents arrived at the Wayne Inn, a motel on Route 23, where several suspected hijackers are believed to have stayed. The agents searched the motel’s guest records and took copies of several receipts.

    In February of 2002, federal authorities arrested a man from West Paterson — the town now known as Woodland Park. Eyad M. Alrababah, was charged with helping several of the 9/11 terrorists obtain fraudulent identification cards and licenses from the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles.

    Twelve years later, one longtime resident of Union Avenue, Maggie Hopper, lives with the memory of casually waving to some of the men who became terrorists. She told a neighbor Wednesday, “Oh, do you remember who lived down there? We didn’t even know.”

    Hopper said people are less trusting when they hear that terrorists were in their neighborhood 12 years ago, but they’re far more concerned with street crime. “I haven’t heard about Paterson being a terrorist place,” she said. “I hear more about gangs and drug-related stuff.”

    But for Paterson, with an estimated 60,000 Muslims, it’s a hard image to shake. One of the myths that spun out of 9/11 was that some Arabs in South Paterson were dancing in the streets after the planes hit the World Trade Center. City police said they never found any evidence to support the rumors.

    “That never happened,” said Paterson Councilman Andre Sayegh, who months later, remembers marching in the Arab Unity parade down Main Street in an attempt to dispel negative stereotypes.

    For Raed Odeh, owner of the Palestine Hair Salon on Main Street, that’s the hope that people will move past the fact that terrorists once, briefly, lived in the city. He said Muslims have struggled to shake the negativity and to assert their place as an American community like any other. People have shied away from the South Paterson business area, he said, because of the reputation.

    Odeh said that since 9/11 many Muslims have established better communication with city officials and community leaders to quell suspicions or concerns.

    “We are people living here, born here and raised here,” he said. “Whatever harms this country, it harms everybody.”
     
  4. sirbaihu

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    From your own article (it's media, but i'll give it as much credit as you do):
     
  5. vlaurelio

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    any videos or pictures of this or these are all just based on prejudice and stereo types?
     
  6. RocketsLegend

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    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/12/exclusive_jersey_city_cop_residents_say_some_musli.html

    In the weeks since Donald Trump ignited a firestorm by claiming "thousands and thousands" of Muslims in Jersey City cheered the fall of the twin towers on 9/11, elected officials, religious leaders and a former state attorney general denied the existence of celebrations in the city that day.

    Media outlets, after scouring archived news stories and video footage, could not find verified accounts of Jersey City Muslims rejoicing.

    But in a new examination by NJ Advance Media, a police officer who worked on 9/11 and residents on the outskirts of Journal Square say they witnessed small pockets of people celebrating before the groups dispersed or were broken up by authorities.

    The NJ Advance Media inquiry, encompassing more than two dozen interviews conducted since Nov. 25, found Trump's broad assertion that thousands of people cheered to be baseless. At the same time, the inquiry provides the first credible indication of at least two modest celebrations, as described by on-the-record sources who say they witnessed the behavior.

    "When I saw they were happy, I was pissed," said Ron Knight, 56, a Tonnele Avenue resident who said he heard cries of "Allahu Akbar" as he shouldered his way through a crowd of 15 to 20 people on John F. Kennedy Boulevard that morning.

    Collectively, the gatherings amounted to dozens of people at the two locations, the witnesses said. Callers also flooded the 911 system with accounts of jubilant Muslims on a rooftop at a third location, three police officers said, but a reporter was unable to find witnesses there 14 years later.

    Among the news organization's findings:

    • A retired police captain, Peter Gallagher, said he cleared a rooftop celebration of 20 to 30 people at 6 Tonnele Ave., a four-story apartment building with an unobstructed view of Lower Manhattan, in the hours after the second tower fell.

    "Some men were dancing, some held kids on their shoulders," said Gallagher, then a sergeant. "The women were shouting in Arabic and keening in the high-pitched wail of Arabic fashion. They were told to go back to their apartments since a crowd of non-Muslims was gathering on the sidewalk below and we feared for their safety."

    FBI agents took several residents of the building into custody days later, according to neighbors and an account in The Star-Ledger. It is unclear why they were detained.

    • Knight was one of two Tonnele Avenue residents who said they witnessed a crowd celebrating on John F. Kennedy Boulevard not far from Masjid Al-Salam, the mosque where Omar Abdel-Rahman, known as the "blind sheikh," preached before the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

    Carlos Ferran, 60, who lives in the same building as Knight, said he was on his way to a liquor store to buy beer when he came across the gathering on the sidewalk.

    "Some of them had their hands in the air," Ferran said. "They were happy."


    • Numerous people called police to report an exultant crowd on the roof of 2801 John F. Kennedy Blvd., a distinctive, five-story apartment building at the intersection of Sip Avenue, said retired officer Arthur Teeter, who worked in the radio room at police headquarters on Sept. 11.

    Officers were dispatched to the address at least twice but were delayed getting inside because the front door was locked, said another retired officer, Bruce Dzamba.

    "By the time I got to the roof, no one was there," Dzamba said.

    The building was cited in a Sept. 16, 2001, WCBS television news clip in which reporter Pablo Guzman, citing unnamed sources, said federal officials had detained eight men seen cheering on the roof. That account could not be independently verified.

    Teeter, the officer who worked in the radio room, said the address was one of several where 911 callers cited rooftop celebrations.

    "There were enough calls that it was disturbing," he said. "That's the only word I can use."


    • Three additional officers who remain on the Jersey City force said they witnessed small groups of Muslim celebrants on Sept. 11, but they would not speak for attribution, citing a department policy that prohibits media interviews.

    The officers, including a high-ranking official, said their reluctance to speak publicly also stemmed from concern they would run afoul of Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop, who has repeatedly said celebrations did not take place.

    "I saw it with my own eyes," the ranking officer said. "In the end, police officers are professionals, so we just observed that stuff and sucked it up."

    Eleven other officers claimed to have been witnesses to celebrations in postings on Facebook after Trump resurrected the issue, but they either declined to speak for attribution or did not return calls seeking comment.
     
  7. RocketsLegend

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    Great crowd at the Buffalo rally today. Also great speech by Mr.Trump.
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  8. sirbaihu

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    Your quote:

     
  9. RocketsLegend

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    What about the other quotes from the article, are you going to ignore those?

    We've already established that there wont thousands of people on the streets on NJ celebrating.

    Also, R0ckets03 you should really do better research before calling people names.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    So Trump lied?
     
  11. sirbaihu

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    No, I won't ignore those. My point is: Trump's statement was false. What's your point?
     
  12. Cohete Rojo

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    Hey, you know those floods today? With Ted Cruz in power you wouldn't have to worry about a delayed flood advisory - because he wants to eliminate the NWS.

    Donald Trump is the crazy one? Yeah, and ISIS is the JV team.
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    Let's just settle with "They're both crazy".

    I think crazy is the wrong word here though. Actually let's rephrase that: " They both PANDER to crazy".

    At this point it's hard to tell if either one is truly sincere in their rhetoric.
     
  14. Cohete Rojo

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    Ya'll remember when they flew the planes into the circle k on 7/11? The Donald does.
     
  16. mtbrays

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    There were thousands of Muslims from India celebrating in 7/11s that day. The footage from all of the security cameras was destroyed, but I saw it before then Sad!
     
  17. Thefabman

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    jet fuel can't melt slurpee machines
     
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    Just FYI rocketslegend. That's how a gathering of thousands upon thousands of people look like.
     
  20. RocketsLegend

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    I got to admit it's so hard being a Middle Eastern Trump supporter. I get so many ignorant comments like "he wants to deport you and your family" or "you're just a self hating, wannabe Caucasian". The amount of hate I get from leftists. They just can't fathom the idea of a non-white voting for Trump.
     

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