Star Wars: Rogue One

The explanation is the force, it tends to be the cop out explanation for everything. Just that force users are basically super people.

Although it looks like they don't have that to fall back on for this movie unless the lead too is a force user.

 

Not really interested in this one. The trailer was just okay.

 

That's literally the only thing Luke does that's even comparable to like 10 things Rey does in TFA. Luke was going to fail but Obi Wan freaking came back from the dead and helped him throughout the final space battle. He was about to get smoked twice and was saved by Wedge and Han on those occasions. He had a ton of help.

I can't believe this is even being discussed, Rey has like 100x the power Luke does in ANH. It's not even debatable.

 

The 'ton of help' is still the Force, even in the form of Obi. There's no reason Star Wars movies can't depict someone who might even be stronger than Luke.

 

Her being stronger than Luke very well could end up being that Luke was just raised as a farm boy while Rey could have been a youngling in training to be a Jedi from birth, but had her memory wiped. The force comes more naturally to her. Well...at least that's the way i've been looking at it.

 

Sure, it's okay for someone to be stronger than Luke, but the abilities Rey shows so ridiculously go against what's already established in the Star Wars canon that it's just a little too unbelievable for my taste. I'm not invested at all in her character moving forward now. If she can already defeat the bad guy, then there's no point to the journey she's going through.

 

^^^ Regarding the above, I still enjoyed TFA and I really like Rey as a character, as well as the other new characters. That is just one of my main criticisms of the film.

 

She may be more like Anakin.

Anakin was great at everything too, he was just pure unfiltered raw force power.

Luke was more like the every man who just realized his powers. It was almost always a will thing with Luke I'd like to say.

Also the bad guy she defeated is still some novice force user as well. It was basically two novice force users going against each other.

 

First off I agree with your first point, kid Anakin was such a Gary Stu in TPM and really the main reason why it's my least favorite Star Wars film. Even so, he didn't show any force abilities and while was extremely powerful in II and III, it was after 10+ years of training which made sense.

Ren clearly had training though, and appeared really powerful before the last scene, lol.

I'm hoping the next film reigns it in a bit and there's actually some obstacles for our main characters to go through.

 

Did she defeat him or live to fight another day. Did Han defeat Vader in the first one?

 

Her beating the bad guy already might be part of a twist where Kylo is brought back to the light as Rey slips to the dark side or Klyo and Rey together have to destroy a turned to the dark side Luke? Though i find it hard to come back to the light after straight up murdering your father. That's how i felt with the prequels making Anakin murder a bunch of helpless children. Sorry, but there's no coming back from that.

That is a ****ty thought though. What's the point of Rey if she already beat the bad guy? She has to either turn dark or be killed. So what if Kylo hadn't completed his training and was severely hurt, he is still nearly a decade worth of training ahead of Rey and he still lost. What are we going to get in Ep.8? A training montage? Rey trained by Luke in the wilderness while Kylo trains with machines and force steroids? Then we get a rematch where of course this time the bad guy wins because that's the same way the 2nd movie in the OT went?

 

I don't think they go against what's been established at all, but regardless Ren being 'unfinished' himself is part of the story arc as well. there's a long way to go imo before we can just say we've already seen the 'hero beat the bad guy' conclusion.

 

I think there is another Eastern Asian brute on that episode (Jiang Wen)

and the King of Scotland: Mr. Whitaker

Spoiler

 

I mean she clearly defeated him, the dude was laying on the ground defenseless. And no one defeated Vader, Han shot one of his escorts.

Well I hope you're right, Rey has to go through some sort of adversity to make her character more believable to me.

 

There does seem to be an odd fan compassion for Kylo regarding the light side, and think that interesting, but agree that after killing his father, killing all of the trained Jedi ( no small feat ) and bathing his helmet in the ashes of the Jedi he's killed and then seriously wearing those ashes on his head, he's not redeemable. He's gone whacko evil already, but that doesn't mean he won't try to kill his superior Snoke. And it doesn't mean he isn't seriously going even darker with more power. Especially given his grandfather was seeking superior life power. And he can stop light! See it as entirely possible Ren is going to get those superior life control powers too. Especially since fans seem to have gravitated to his character over the last few months. He may not be Vader, but he can get there for sure. His death is going to spark the life force creation of a new Jedi ( that's how I see it )

As for Rae, Don't see her going Dark. She's a fan favorite. So simply from a Disney perspective think she's 100% good and all the way light to the end. Though both share a sense of abandonment by their parents, Rey has to carry all three movies and we as fans need someone to root for. Most of us have done that and gone there already. I have. So not sure she has to earn that from us by going through a trial to earn her powers. She's pretty much the only Jedi left outside of walker, so she's got a lot of work to do in order bring Ren down with vision and mind powers only.

 

Are they really trying to pass off Felicity Jones as a 15 y.o.?

 

Why does a competent female protagonist bother you so much?

She didn't even beat the bad guy in a clean fight. Mr Daddy Issues already had a laser wound in the gut and she barely did anything exceptional besides waving a stick around.

Shouldn't you be more bothered by the fact that some no name storm trooper deserter could wield a Lightsaber so proficiently?

 

This is true. Finn is great at everything he does or has shown the ability to be a pretty fast learner. There is some odd thing going on with him in the first movie with him where they seem to flirt with the idea and I wouldn't be surprised if he's force sensitive too.

I also think Rey will tease a dark side turn, simply because it is part of the trial of a Jedi to be tempted and pass that test.