With the 13th pick of the 2016 NBA Draft, the Rockets select...

Late lottery picks are tough. Few, if any clear talents are left. To grade Morey, find several other GM's past 10 or so mid first round picks and compare.

 

I agree with this. Excellent post.

and . . . I agree with this as well. Depressing post, but I think you're right. But time will tell.

 

Omg we are back to debating Rubio again? Did we learn nothing from the Lawson experiment?

-We have a SF who is streaky shooting 3's, but a huge negative with bad play making skills

-We have a huge problem at the PF position where Michael Beasley has been the best PF this season for us (need I say more?)

-We have a Dwight Howard problem where he brings little to the offense at this stage of his career. Soon to be a Clint Capela problem (but I have some hope he can help Harden more on offense moving fwd).

-We have no bench shooting. I seriously can't even remember the last 3 Terry hit. He's been an awful shooter this year.

But we want to focus AGAIN on Rubio as a playmaker that wil open up the world for James Harden. Guys that's just not going to happen. We've been there before. Rubio will be sitting in the corner as a shooter who can't shoot, or come off the bench and only have the ball in his hands for 8 minutes a night.

So just stop. There are about 50 other problems to solve that are highly more important than taking another gamble at trying to move Harden off ball.

Also Harden was good friends and had high respect for Lawson. Why do you expect him to do what he wouldn't do for Lawson to a lesser talented player he likely doesn't know well or care for?

 

Look, you know who brought up Rubio again. I shouldn't have replied ("so just top" might encapsulate what I should have written) because the obsession one poster has for the guy borders on mental illness. Maybe because Morey was going to s***-heap the team to draft the guy and Rick Adelman said, "Are you trying to get me fired?" And so on and so forth.

That was then. This is now. If Harden is here (and he will be), then Rubio will not be here. It's an awful fit.

And I would think the draft pick we keep will be part of a trade this summer.

 

Since we are going over it again... I am still in the Rubio camp. Get Rubio and make sure are backup SGs and backup SFs are shooters. This means goodbye to KJ as well. Bev is a good backup PG in this scenario.

Ricky Rubio is a better playmaker for others than James Harden. The shot quality improves. If we don't plan on installing an offense then at least we would have Rubio to be offensive floor general.

 

Jumped into the Rubio scrap without seeing Bbhollic stating my exact thoughts on the previous page. Yea... all of that.


Keep in mind that Rubio is also a better defensive point guard than Bev (by a good bit) Taller, quicker, long and quick reach.

 

Guys stop! You all know dam well that Rubio sucks! You should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

Oh yeah I know. in trying to keep the convo focused on what really matters you add to it getting derailed further.

I have no idea if he'll trade the pick or not. Such an interesting and scary offseason for Morey with two more years left on Hardens contract and the likelihood of him being unhappy if we don't show him a better future for contending. Then at the same time Morey needs to focus on the future of getting more Capela's and less Dekker situations. Meaning it's important to be able to visualize a future.

I don't really see a super easy solution unless Durant and or Horford is willing to sign here which is a longshot at best. I just hope that if all else fails we can get a cooperative Harden during a year of rebuild and transition.

 

Rondo >>> Rubio

 

I get your trying to make a point but to call Rubio a lesser talented player than Lawson is just ridiculous. I can go on and on about how Rubio is better than Lawson on and off the court but I'm not going to entertain that because we all see first hand the trash player Lawson was. And anybody who says they wouldn't rather have had Rubio instead of Lawson when the season started after the trash and less than average play of Lawson we all seen then that's also a ridicouls statement.

 

You mean Rubio is a lesser Stockton?

 

More like a lesser me.

 

Can you do this?

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Thon Maker

 

Only reason people would choose Rubio is because they NOW know the outcome. I've been here for years dude. Almost everyone minus maybe Hollic preferred Lawson.

And before the decline of Ty Lawson, he was a better more well rounded PG. Pull out whatever stats you want, but other than cherry pick steals, and assists (even though Lawson has had the higher assist average in a single season) he did just about everything better AND he actually stayed healthy... something Rubio had trouble with pretty much every season of his pro career.

Career PPG: Lawson 13, Rubio 10
Career assists: Lawson 6, Rubio 8*
FG%: Lawson 46%, Rubio 36%
3pt %: Lawson 36%, Rubio 31%
Turnover rt: same
steals: Lawson 1.2, Rubio 2.2 (but he gambles in passing lanes instead of staying solid)

So yeah of course knowing that Lawson would bomb with the Rockets would make any idiot say NOW that they would have rather had Rubio. However at the time considering fit especially next to Harden, it was a no brainer choice at the time. If we are talking about natural talent coming out of the draft maybe you could say Rubio looked like a higher upside pick, but the results show that he's never going to reach that upside likely and will be who he is through his career.

And there is very little evidence that shows that if Lawson couldn't cut it that Rubio somehow would be incredibly different... but Im sure Hollic and whoever else can spin it in whatever way you want.

 

You can do that.

 

And I'm a lesser basketball player than Rubio. Which means I win this argument, we should sign Rubio.

 

I like Rubio, but not a good fit with Harden. I'd rather put all my focus on signing Conley.

 

I'd like to stock up with young guards to eventually earn a spot next to Harden while retaining Bev & find some undervalued guards for next year, and go after a free agent wing or big this offseason. The Rockets have 99 problems but pg is only kind of one. Much bigger issues elsewhere on the front line and 3 spot.

 

I was with bbholic with Rubio over Lawson as well.