Can't say it any better. My exact thought thoughts on the current idiotic political environment in this country.
I'm a Hilary Supporter. I think of Hilary akin to a college senior with 4 years of good play in an NBA draft. Not sexy, not the first choice, low ceiling and low floor. I went with Obama in 08 and now Hilary in 16. Because Obama back then felt like the real deal, the Anthony Davis type of prospect. This year, Sanders feel more like Hasheem Thabeet. Yeah, very exciting raw tools (I like and agree in principle with his messages) but I don't see development.
Yeah, 4 years of good play where, sure she committed multiple felonies due to either corruption or gross incompetence, but hey you like the administration she was a part of!
First off there is a Clinton Thread. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=273441&highlight=Taibbi And yes I am supporting Clinton. It's because she is the most experienced candidate running of either party. I have nothing against Sanders personally but it is clear he neither has the experience or the ability to actually enact what he is proposing. At the same time he clearly doesn't have a good handle on international affairs and his answers on many issues are vague at best. Even on his signature issue of bank reform he contradicted himself and his unclear how such reform could be accomplished. People who support seem more caught up in anger and passion than considering how exactly do such things get passed. I agree Clinton isn't passionate and she doesn't arouse passion. That said there is far more to governance than just passion. Further the storyline that Sanders is pure and doesn't pander or compromise while Clinton is completely compromised and a panderer ignores that in Sanders own history he has compromised on things like voting for the Crime Bill in the 90's and has all but admitted that his stance on guns has to do with pandering to his rural base in Vermont. I will grant Sanders his outsider status but I doubt his revolution will actually come to pass. Most likely he will find himself facing the same situation that Obama faced with an intractable opposition and skepticism from Democrats too. He will either greatly compromise his agenda or else be an ineffectual president.
OK....I'll bite. I do support Hillary. It's not easy to encapsulate it in a 140 character meme, or garner the same passion as when you're raging against the machine, but, (not so) briefly: Foreign policy: Unless isolationism or buffoonery are your thing, she's the only one with any sense here. She has championed human rights, recognized climate change concerns and balanced it in a tremulous and changing time internationally. Now is not a time for recklessness or naivety. Domestic Economy: Rants against corporate America resonate, but we cannot turn the clock back the 60s and stop globalization, nor fix it by demonizing corporations or imposing poorly thought out taxation or governance policies. While I share frustration with income inequality and lessening corporate morality, I don't agree with Bernie's proposals (vague as they are). Not sure I (or they) even understand what the Republicans are up to. She may need to be pushed here, but she'll start from a place where I think she can get things done without as many unforeseen negative consequences. Trade Deals: I accept the global economy. Bernie and Trump want to tear up trade deals -- good luck with that! The tech sector and others depend on foreign visas for professionals, and I support those too. Liberal values/human rights/civil rights/women's rights: She's been an outspoken proponent here for 40 yrs and worked to organize and fund raise and help get elected other advocates. So more than speaking out herself, she has helped others with similar views get elected which contributes to the advancement of these issues. She put the ball in play on healthcare when it was extremely unpopular to do so. Experience: She was an integral part of the Obama admin, and an important (if unofficial) part of the Clinton admin. I liked both these presidencies. If you think these were low points in recent American history, you'll consider these a negative. She pivoted well from the 2008 campaign to fully support President Obama and become an important member of his team. She has Washington experience, Big City experience, and rural state experience. Pressure: She has been front and center on issues, and taken a leading and public role throughout her career. She was in the room when the go ahead was given to take out Osama. It's much easier to be 'pure' from a safe Vermont seat esp when you don't even formally participate in a national party. NY Senator, Secretary of State, and leading Democratic spokesperson are in a much different league than anything any of her challengers (on either party) have had to face. She's been in the game. The others have been chirping from the sidelines. Her persona can grate. Especially when she shouts and the inner Arkansas comes out. The email servers showed incredibly poor judgement. There's been something unsettling about her virtual coronation as candidate from the Democratic party. Moreso at a time people are so fed up with 'the system' they're willing to give Donald Trump consideration. However, IMO her qualifications, experience, capabilities and vision far outshine any candidate in this cycle. The values she champions are consistent with most progressive voters while remaining grounded in reality. The attacks on her integrity have been constant for 40 years and have been effective. She is dismissed as a former first lady, or just a woman, when any man with her history would be taken seriously on his merits. There is absolutely something about do you 'like' or 'trust' a candidate. She falls short here for many people. Fair enough. That is not unimportant. But her candidacy is legit. And IMO she's not only the best of this lot, she is a strong candidate overall (even if she doesn't appeal to the demographic that posts on this board )..
Good post and well said. I think a lot of people vote emotionally on who is a "likable and decent human being." I think of it in more of a cold business type of situation. We have a very, very hard job to award to someone. It takes obsessive work, deep knowledge, and as much experience as possible. If I'm hiring for something like that, the likability and even morality factors might go out the window. As a CEO friend of mine says, coldly, "nice is a very low level skill."
"based on what we do know from what has been made public, there doesn’t seem to be a legitimate basis for any sort of criminal charge against her" http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/analysis-hillary-clinton-commit-crime-based-today/story?id=36626499
I am not a supporter but I must admit this is a good post Either Her or Bernie will get my vote. . . . Does not much matter. I hope neither runs as a third party candidate and split the vote Rocket River 1 RULE: Don't Let the Republicans Win . . . cause they don't have my best interest at heart.
I've never been big on Hillary, but I have to say when I tuned in to hour 9 of the Benghazi hearing and watched her handing Trey Gowdy and rest of the wingnut brigade their asses, I warmed up a little. True Grit.
i'm guessing part of her appeal is she's a criminal who gets away with it. i guess people like that type of stuff. or maybe it's the solid color teletubby pants suits?
Honest Question gets Honest Answer... No, I am not a Hillary Supporter; I am a Bernie guy. The issue is that, most of the people who are voting for her think she will be as good as Bill (just based on the Clinton last name) without asking (or worse, simply not caring) about what her policies are like and don't really know if she would make real changes that would benefit this country. But the 2 biggest liberal states (CA and NY) haven't yet had their primaries; there is a possibility that those states may tend towards Bernie (especially CA).
I made this thread as I never saw the appeal of Clinton. Im not a democrat but if came to it, I'd vote sanders. I feel it's despicable Clinton taking money from Wall Street, speaking fees (such as taking 250k and not showing up for a speech at UNLV), turning sandy hook into a weapon, pushing for the mass incarceration of POC/blacks, lying about sniper fire in Bosnia... I mean that last one is trump like! I just feel like she doesn't have the integrity to be president, all politicians and humans are corrupt but Hillary just seems like the lowest of the low.
The question is not if you would like Sanders or Clinton, it will be do you like Clinton or Curz/Trump. If by some miracle Sanders wins the nomination, I would vote for him.
I like and agree with everything you posted except the part in bold. Assuming either Bernie or Hillary wins in November, they both would nominate a much further left leaning SC Justice. Both would go with one more liberal than Obama's choice for Merrick Garland (who, in itself, isn't a bad choice).
I want her to win and then nominate Obama to the Supreme Court. That would be the greatest thing ever!! EVER!!!
Ding, Ding, Ding. If you choose not to vote, you have absolutely NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN when any official in any public office does something you do not support or agree with.
