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50% of Americans, and 80% of likely GOP primary voters, now support the Trump ban on Muslims

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Northside Storm, Mar 30, 2016.

  1. Nook

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    You are very naive.

    Perhaps 6 months in Yemen or Pakistan as an identified athiest will do you well.

    Then you can report back to us.
     
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  2. Amiga

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    Hazrat NaKhuda, Founder Pakistani Atheists & Agnostics



     
  3. Exiled

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    typical BS coming from a goyim who advocate this.

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  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Would last longer than 6 months as a black man at Trump rallies, that's for sure.
     
  5. Exiled

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    its naive to think it wont happened in Rwanda or South Sudan
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    No.. No you wouldn't. Stop making light of the predicament apostates, atheists, homosexuals etc face in Muslim dominant regions. It's not a funny matter. How many African Americans were executed in Trump rallies?
     
  7. Northside Storm

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    If I had a brick every time somebody uselessly vented that "Islam needs a reform", I'd have built Trump's f**king wall already.

    Donate money to UNHCR if you want to do something useful for getting more Muslims to embrace secularity rather than spouting vain nothings--or, you know, give Muslims fair treatment besides the extrajudicial killings and suspension of civil liberties unworthy of any great republic.
     
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  8. fchowd0311

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    And we can also not put our heads in the sand and get all butt hurt when someone says that Islam is partly to blame for the current predicament of Islamic terrorism(not saying you in particular are butt hurt). We can also stop pandering to Muslims as if they are 5 year old children who are so easily offended. The only thing the pandering results in is a disproportionate push back by the right wing circle jerking about "OMG PC CULTURE". It also makes them half right.

    Bill Maher brings up a solid point about the mentality of "you have a greater chance of being struck by lightning than being killed in a terrorist attack". Lightning or in your example, right wing Christians, aren't actively seeking out nuclear arms or dirty bombs. The only thing preventing an Islamic terrorist from murdering more people in a much larger scope is resources.
     
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  9. Northside Storm

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    I choose to avoid religious regimes that govern with arbitrary laws, which is why I don't want America to become one.

    But thanks for the pro-tip. jeez, secular republics are better than theocracies? woah.
     
  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I'll tell you something, if our country didn't have the laws it did, and the enforcement of those laws, you would get plenty of executions. You don't have to go that far back into American history to get to lynchings of blacks.

    This isn't meant to be a comparison. What happens in Muslim countries is horrible human rights violations. But a lot of that could be stopped if the gov't passed the laws and enforced the laws. They fail on both.

    But really before you get all bent out of shape, my comment was a joke about Trump, not Muslims.
     
  11. Northside Storm

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    I don't know if I pander when I say Islam and Christianity are toxic leaves of the same root.

    I also think there's a fair bit of head in sand when people say things like "let's support Assad and the Egyptian regime!" and when they ignore extrajudicial killings/torture of Muslims. Like what is this s**t about "we can't win the war on terror because Obama refuses to name Islam lololol"--American drones kill American citizens, the FBI and NSA surveil Muslims for being Muslim, the CIA tortures Muslim detainees to death when they're not snatching them up by accident, and now 50% of Americans want to ban all Muslims from even entering the country.

    BLAME OBAMA
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    They fail at both because either the government is in favor of draconian laws or the people overwhelmingly support it. The people of the United States do not overwhelmingly support the execution of atheists and yes, that even includes right wing Christians.
     
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    No they aren't. They are not the same. Do I need to go on the same old tired rant that almost no one has been able to counter yet they still repeat the same old tired narrative of "Christianity and Islam are equally bad"?

    Christianity's darkest times were during an era where the Catholic Church held a monopoly on the interpretation of the Bible. With the printing press, that monopoly vanished and thus the 'personal relationship with Jesus' brand of Christianity formed. Political Christianity started dissipating.

    Islam is pretty much the exact opposite. Islamic terror can't use the "everyone is illiterate thus the ones in power are manipulating" excuse. A large share of ISIS fighters are native Arabic speakers and can read the Quran and its tasfir quite fine.

    I don't want to even start on the whole Jesus vs Muhammad debate and the notion that Muslims feel obligated to mimic the life of a man who held sex slaves and assassinated many people.

    They are not the same. Just stop it with that narrative.

    The New Testament emphasizes a 'personal church' while the entire Quran and the hadith emphasizes the formation of an Islamic government from the ummah. Islam doesn't have that same 'personal relationship with God' narrative that Christianity does.
     
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  14. Northside Storm

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    You're probably drawing even on mass shooting odds from a right wing fanatic vs dirty bombs (basically null either way).

    That's not to say anything of the medical research lost because durrr-God, or the chance that people are going to grow up around me never believing in falseability because somebody elected an originalist to the Board of Education.

    Things also suck a lot harder in Muslim-majority countries, but I'm not going to pretend that drones, extrajudicial killings, and the suspension of civil liberties in America are going to solve that.
     
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    fine, the Zeusy man in the sky has better behaved followers than the sex trader, at this particular moment in history. Happy?

    Both suck in their own way, but one sucks a lot more. woot.

    I don't see religion (especially the Christian religion) playing a role in stopping the bombings of millions of people or genocide, but hey, violence has to be characterized and compared on a scale and held accountable to a religion then compared, e-dick style, to another religion, so why not.

    I really don't understand the distinction when it's clear BOTH strands of thought need to end any COLLECTIVE effect on society. Practice your individual beliefs how you will--but try to apply that en masse to collective behavior? GTFO. Islam, Christianity, Judaism. whatever. I hope you glean whatever satisfaction you get from winning the "Islam is badder" award because I straight out don't care.

    None of which has anything to do with the suspension of civil liberties for Muslims. I don't care if you're the most despised group of people in my eyes (Jazz fans)--you still deserve fundamental rights. and the ability not to get killed/tortured.
     
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  16. fchowd0311

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    If you don't care then stop lying to yourself with the 'they are all the same narrative'. If you haven't noticed, those differences are having widespread tangible results.

    I wonder if you would be so blunt about the 'I don't give a ****, they are all the same' narrative you are trying to push if you were speaking to an apostate from Saudi who is in fear for his life. I'm sure the 'minor' differences matter quite a bit to him.
     
  17. Space Ghost

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    You're completely out of touch with reality. While the US was not officially founded on Christianity, it had very heavy influences. In the past century, the influence of Christianity has slowly been eroded with every election, to the point where Christians are now reforming from the Puritan ways of life and embracing Christs teachings. Christianity is getting better. Islam isnt.

    So I am not sure why you have this irrational fear the US will become a religious nation when it has been going in the exact opposite for the last 100 years.
     
  18. Northside Storm

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    I see a major difference in the amount of fear in the developing world and the developed world, and religion has not that much to do with that. It's more about power and who can bomb who. That's why when I do donate money, it's to get as many f**king people out of situations like that to secular, safe nations. That includes, btw, dem apostates looking to go to secularwin.

    I don't give a f**k quibbling over the differences over any religion because ultimately I believe ALL religions, or at least their social effects, must be destroyed. Islam can go first if that makes you feel better.

    Are you an apostate or do you know one? Want me to tell them that straight to their faces?

    I do what I can (a limited amount, but whatever), unfortunately, that doesn't involve leaps of illogic like bringing up "Islam is worse than Christianity" in a thread about the suspension of civil liberties. It doesn't matter if civil liberties are being suspended for the godless sodomites known as Jazz fans, they're civil liberties for a reason. You can hate Muslims with a stony passion, that's all the more reason to defend their rights in a secular republic.

    You just need to beat their ideas in the marketplace of ideas, not surveil them to intimidation.
     
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    Are you one of the 80% of GOP primary voters, overwhelmingly Christian, who support the suspension of civil liberties for Muslims (already practiced de facto in the United States?)
     
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    Don't pretend that this is obvious to you. You preferred the Muslim Brotherhood's theocracy over more secular governments.
     

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