Pakistan suicide blast kills over 60 as Christian families gathered in the park to celebrate Easter

Why should it matter if they were Christian?????

Many Muslims (far more than Christians) are killed in terrorist attacks from radicals. I guess their lives don't matter so much and people need to know they are Christian so they can care.

 

If we don't get an announcement from every Muslim group in the world by midnight, then all Muslims should be ashamed for not condemning it.

 

Because it was specifically the motivation for the attack, you dunce. They were targeted by Islamists because they were Christian. This was not some traffic accident.

 

It's as if the KKK were to murder 65+ black people because they are black and New Yorker were to ask "what does it matter that they were black"...

 

Looks like an attack on Christians, and Muslims who are tolerant of Christians publicly celebrating Easter. This is an attack ON average Christians and Muslims by organized criminals who happen to call themselves Muslim.

It's not sincere to call someone "not a Muslim" just because you don't agree with what they call Islam or what they do. Committing an Islamic sin does not make you non-Muslim, otherwise no one would be a Muslim. That denial of another person's faith is the trait of takfiris and wahhabists which has led to all this radical islamic terrorism. Humans cannot determine who is and isn't a Muslim/infidel, according to Islam. Pre-judgement day, humans declare whether they are Muslim or otherwise and that is accepted even though it may or may not be true. Islam states only god knows who believes what.

Muslims aren't declaring these people infidels just because of the attack. They are saying that - regardless of the nominal title of Muslim - the people committing these acts of terrorism follow a radically different set of ideological principles than the vast majority of Muslims. The vast majority of Muslims do not believe it is ok to blow up innocent people for celebrating Easter or tolerating it. At what point do you realize that it's the title that's invalid? How can two people claim to be part of one group when those two have polar opposite views about the same things? This is the anger that terrorists and neo-conservatives have, they are desperate to stuff all Muslims into the one title and control what it means. In reality, it doesn't mean anything.

Think about the word "American". Doesn't that title encompass a set of principles, an ideology? Of course it does. Freedom, liberty, happiness, secularism, etc. So when a violent radical American patriot plans to blow Muslims up, does that have anything to do with being American? Isn't it Radical Americanism? Of course not.

Now take the title Muslim. There are 3 times more Muslims than there are Americans (don't panic RocketsLegend). Wtf does the title mean? Some Muslims are homosexual imams, some are radical guerilla fighters, but almost all are average people with a huge variety of different views on sex, clothing, music, art, history, future, technology, capital punishment, etc. There are Muslims who interpret Islam in literally thousands of different ways. There are people who interpret it the exact same way, but disagree about whether it should be applied in the modern world. There are Muslims who are effectively agnostic, not believing in any text, but still call themselves Muslim. There are non-Muslims who call themselves Muslim because legally they have to.

It's just an absolutely meaningless title at this point. Groups of Muslims do share qualities, but you will find that those groups tend to be geographically linked. Obviously, poor Muslims will share views on parts of the ideology that focus on trade, money, economy. Powerful muslims will focus on the parts that glorify authority. Average Muslims just want to go to work, pick their kid up from school and have dinner without being lambasted on the evening news for a title they never really gave much thought to.

Meanwhile, the terrorists and the neo-conservatives blame Islam and Muslims in general and try to separate this united group of humans. What a wonderful way to ensure average Muslims and Christians in Pakistan feel uncomfortable living in harmony. Keep meddling and driving a wedge between them, that's the ticket.

I predict the people of Pakistan, regardless of their religion, will pay tribute to the innocent lives lost with a civility and sincerity that some people on this board need to learn.

 

Your math is off.

 

Why isn't there a thread here on the Iraqi stadium bombing? Because no one who died was Muslim?

Islamists suicide bomb far more Muslims than Christians. A-holes like you are just going further and further to try to stoke the fires. So disgusting.

 

Because if we were to make a new thread for every Islamist bombing or murder, we would sadly have to open several every day.

If you want a nearly complete overview, go here:

http://thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

And that is just within the last 30 days.

There is a simple reason for that: Islamists have more other Muslims within reach than they have Christians or Jews. I am sick and tired of that stupid "more Muslims are victims of terror attacks than anyone else" argument, as if that somehow exonerates Islam. No, it doesn't. It just means that Islam manages to incite so much hate in people that they will happily kill other Muslims for "not being real Muslims" (e.g. Sunnis vs. Shiites and vice versa).

 

Not for just being Shia but also for being just a tad bit more secular than they desire. I mean they have literal 'pop quiz' checkpoints all across ISIS controlled Iraq pulling over travelers and doing on the spot knowledge quizzes about the Quran, how to pray, the prophet etc. If you fail, a bullet to the head. Probably the deadliest pop quiz you'll ever take in your life.

 

Very telling statistics. The media in the US doesn't like to highlight this in summary form like this, for fear of being "intolerant", but at what point must we realize there is a very serious problem at hand?

 

On the flip side, unfortunately a significant enough portion(still small relative the whole U.S. population) who aren't responsible enough to be bombarded with Islamic terror news because they will lash out at the secular Muslim.

 

It should matter what group they are, if the purpose of the attack was to injure people in that group.

It isn't any different than in the early 60's when there were attacks on black Churches in the South...... the articles pointed out the number of dead black people, because that was the target.

If the group carrying out the attack was Muslim and a particular extremist group (ISIS) and the intended victims were Christian and women and children, it is certainly pertinent.

 

Sweet Lou 4 2 is getting obliterated in this thread. Nothing new, though.

 

Ideollogically speaking, these terrorists use the Koran to justify two kinds of murders:

• Murder against the apostate
• Murder against the infidel

They are not after the Crusading Christians of the 13th century, who have long since been dead. What exactly did these infidels do to provoke such an attack? There are people who mistakenly believe that British/American imperialism is to blame for all of this, or George W. Bush's holy war, or anything other than Sayid Qutb's perverted interpretations of the Koran to justify the founding of an Islamic caliphate.

Also, I think the assumption is that those attacked by these terrorists, in majority Muslim countries, are Muslims.

 

It's not an assumption. It's a fact that well over 90% of civilians killed in their attacks are Muslim.

Everyone is conflating the idea of importance. Yes it is important that the targets are Christian >> it's important to an investigation by authorities as a clue to help them know what happened, how to prevent it.

However, it is irrelevant to the conversation about why certain ideologies have more of their radicals acting on their hateful ideas.

I have no legal problem with someone hating Christians. I have a moral problem with it. I don't care if ISIS were a bunch of people who sat around all day making videos about how much they hate people who don't think exactly like them. Just like we don't have a problem with Donald Trump or Ted Cruz or Rubio saying we should carpet bomb innocent civilians because they happen to be related to suspects of terrorism.

That's something we can talk about and discuss and dissect.

What I do have a problem with is acting on the hatred. I do have a problem with those people infringing on others' freedoms and on the extreme end murdering people, whether it's the president of a country or abu bakr al bagdadi doing it.

If your concern is HOW DO WE STOP THIS PHENOMENON >> then you have to look at root causes in the ideology, in the friends, in the upbringing, in the schools, in the teachers, parents, mental illness, PTSD, TBI, whatever.

If your concern is HOW DO WE BRING THESE PARTICULAR 5-10 PEOPLE TO JUSTICE, then it matters to those proceedings.

So it's not really sincere to say "OF COURSE IT'S IMPORTANT". No, it's not important to why there is a correlation between proclaiming one's self a Muslim and acts of terrorism from the same geographic area.

But again, it's no coincidence that neo-cons and radical islamic terrorists share the same goals. After all, they are both after empire.

 

That is the justification. But justification is not motivation.

This is about power - that is the fundamental motivation. Plain and simple. Religion is just a means to that end. It is a reaction against imperialism and perceived imperialism.

People get upset with this idea because they think it is deflecting blame onto the west or being apologists. That shows that people are really just playing politics - anyone who does that on either side.

Know the truth is important because without that, you are never going to be able to solve the problem. And this is a difficult problem to solve, one that is getting worse and clearly shows that the current approach is not working.

 

The thread title mentions Christian families gathering, but what about the Muslim families that were there too? Did you know more Muslims died in this attack than Christians? It just bothers me that there is such a bias towards only Christian lives being mentioned even though more Muslims died.

It does seem that their a higher value placed upon a Christian life than a Muslim life.

 

No it would be like the KKK killing 35 white people and 30 black people but idiots like you claiming they were all black.

I think you are being sarcastic

 

Mathloom babbles and New Yorker makes no sense, but puts a lot of effort into cries for attention.

Some things don't change.