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Donatas Motiejunas - X Factor

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DudeWah, Nov 23, 2014.

  1. Easy

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    X-Factor players were not allowed to attend these meetings.
     
  2. heypartner

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    Doesn't really matter, because it's an aberration.

    If you remove the Pelican's game and the Grizzlies injury devastated 50pt win we are at 107 Drtg for the month of March. We are a horrible 110 Drtg since the Grizzlie phony blow-out -- last 6 games.

    In other words, there are two games that bring us from our customary 24th in the league to 11th in March. It's not about anything other than that.
     
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    spoilsport.

    :grin:
     
  4. Easy

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    Yep. I love how people like to use Player X or Team X has been playing well (insert stats) since ___________. This kind of "evidence" usually has the fallacy of small sample size where a couple of outliers can skew the numbers.
     
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    You can think that greatly upgrading the PF spot had no effect if you like, we'll see how that plays out.
     
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    Is it possible that DMo isn't as good as many think he is? Is it possible that your beliefs about DMo are simply incorrect? Your posts seem to interpret any criticism of his skill set and career- potential as nearly impossible. Personally, I was wrong about the player Kyle Lowry and, hell, Steph Curry turned out to be, but when the numbers and analysis evidenced that my beliefs about both players were off, I accepted it. It was all good...

    Why is this assertion that Dmo is "exactly what this team needs" so passionate? I mean, with all due respect to DMo, it's not like we're dealing with Tim Duncan. It seems personal. While I agree that he has some unique skills that he brings to the court, I don't understand why you continue to view him as the "turn-around" guy for this franchise and what it needs to win more games. Moreover, to justify your belief in your "super role player/ x-factor" theory, you have taken away from what Beasley has done during his short stint with the Rockets. If anyone has come on to this squad to make a positive, immediate impact, it has been SuperCoolBeas. And, to write that Beas "reinforces bad habits" doesn't acknowledge what he was asked to do when we signed him, nor does it recognize how our offense works, especially when it works well. (We'll just have to agree to disagree about Beasley's talent overall. I think it's a difference in philosophy and approach to the game altogether.)

    You and I may not enjoy the Rockets' style of play, but Beasley is doing exactly what he was brought in for: instant offense. Again, it just seems like the defense of DMo on this board (not only yours) is relentless and that he is off-limits for criticism. Things like coaching, Michael Beasley, etc become the excuses for his numbers and impact not matching up to what we need or desire for in the future.

    It just doesn't appear as though you're objectively viewing his current impact, nor does it seem like you allow for any flexibility in your claims about his potential. Why is DMo relieved of responsibility for contributing more significantly on both ends of the court? You reference the "stupid" coaching on our team. JB may not be what we want as a Rockets coach in years to come, but he's not stopping or limiting DMo's progress and potential. ( I mean, I would have at least considered injuries, too.)

    If he becomes this all-star caliber player or an x-factor for the Rockets or elsewhere, I'd welcome it. I'd love to be wrong again and again about players. But, based on what we've all seen, it's more than possible that DMo ends up being on the opposite end of the stat/talent spectrum. A Rockets' parallel for DMo could be Luis Scola. Although he was smaller and older at the time, Luis had similar moves in his offensive arsenal. He became a good player for us, but as we all know, he didn't "turn the team around" in the long run. If anything, a Scola comparison is generous and flattering, and we should HOPE DMo becomes the player Luis was for us.

    I'll support DMo as long as he is a Rocket, but I'm open to the possibility that he does not turn out to be the player we hoped for. Ultimately, he is responsible for the player he becomes, just like every other player in the league.
     
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  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Dmo is going to take time to get back in form. Coming off of a year without playing basketball will do that. Although I wish he'd get more post-ups.

    Beasley - as far as him being selfish - has anyone thought that maybe that is what he is being asked to do by the coaching staff? He seems to be a team player to me, don't know why people say he is selfish.
     
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    It's just too bad that DMo had to "shut it down" for the season before the All Star break.
     
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    Ya I assume they want teams to look at him as a offensive threat to get pressure off harden

    I hope we let Dwight walk and either let Dmo start or play back up center next season. We need Harrell to start playing backup PF and should have Dmo just be a play making cebter
     
  10. DaDakota

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    I have said he is a great or super role player - which he is, and we need to surround Harden with MORE players like him. I could be incorrect, but I think the style he plays is a perfect compliment to our star.


    I like Beasley love what he brings - instant offense - he has been great, he is a better Thornton - a DMo and Beasley PF combo is exciting, contrasting style gives coaches more bullets in their gun - all good with me.

    So, now you are off the JBB is the answer just needs more time train - good.

    The point was that coaching - GOOD COACHING - could be utilizing DMo's post game and passing more often - instead of forcing the ball into Howard who has trouble catching and holding his position - doesn't get low enough - we have DMo playing PnR, PnR, and that is it....it works but variety makes it harder for other teams to prepare - would like to see DMo posted up some - good coaching would be taking advantage of all the strengths on the team.

    Never ever said he was an all star, and Luis Scola is one of my all time favorites, if DMo gets to that level we have a real team oriented gem.

    Agreed - we should keep him his talent is not common in the NBA - which gives us a distinct mismatch in the post most nights, and that is a big benefit.

    DD
     
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    I didn't say that one way or another. Sorry I quoted your post. I was meaning only to respond to Feigen's tweet.

    I just think Feigen likes to cherry-pick stats in a homer way, like Morey does at times. This one I thought was misleading. The Memphis game really should be tossed out of any analysis of March in hopes of finding a silver-lining to our continuing .500 play. Plus, Josh Smith started all 5 of our games in Feb after the all-star break, when we had a Top 5 DRtg, and without Beasley.

    Then, last 6 games since Memphis, we are back to a miserable 110 DRtg.

    I hope you're not saying we turned a corner, based on Feigen's tweet.
     
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    They'll say anything to build up an average Dmo.
     
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    We were turning a corner every time we had that player meeting (most p meeting in the NBA)

    turning the corner to the 8th seed
     
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    This team is great at turning corners, because... We're running in circles. Circles have infinite corners.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    We are the Nascar of the NBA.

    DD
     
  16. Htownballer38

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    We're barely holding on for dear life. We might Mess around and lose these next 3, (because we still can't string together more than 3 wins in a row) is nothing to get hyped about. Dmo coming into his own is not doing anything to help us win games either. Lol we're still the same team that started the season. So freaking inconsistent and lacks focus on both ends of the court. And good grief bad coaching, bad rotation, and sloppy play in crunch time to name a few big time issues.
     
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    The same as this thread

    It is going full circles

    The thread was in danger when that very player was almost traded to Detroit, and then it continue to run in circles
     
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    Agreed with everything.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JrmjdOPuWc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc_yn42jS7k

    The reason for the infatuation with DMo is that rarely do you see a 7 footer that can command a double team, not only pass out of it but is a great passer in most situations, who can shoot out to the 3 pt line, has plenty of moves and counter moves, and a soft touch in the paint.

    DMo's the type of player that if you put him into an offense that is more read and react and where ball zips around from player to player, he'll be even better. Other than when he's posting up, he moves the ball very quickly. He's a smart player. He's a pretty good positional defender too, albeit not an intimidating defensive player in any sense of the word.

    If he goes to the Spurs or the Warriors, he'll be better utilized. But then again, that can be said for almost any decent player.
     
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    next thing you know we'll be turning the corner in the playoffs. There will probably be a players only meeting after every playoff game. I just hope this doesn't somehow corrupt Beasley where he starts abusing substances again because he knows he's stuck here for another year.
     

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