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Donatas Motiejunas - X Factor

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DudeWah, Nov 23, 2014.

  1. LosPollosHermanos

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    Why do you hate the rockets so much Sam? Talk about negative nancy.
     
  2. daywalker02

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    Folks want to feel alive in an overly dead season

    Dmo makes them want to cheer for some reason
     
  3. oakdogg

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    Does he still stand to get paid? I thought the back injury would make him be available for cheap? How much should the Rockets pay him? I wouldn't pay too much with the health questions. DMo should sue Stan & Detroit. That failed physical would prevent me from committing too much money to him.
     
  4. Htownballer38

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    I remember when those folks were saying he would swoop in and save the Rockets season.

    On the cool it looks like the same damn story to me.

    Super Role Player.

    Difference maker in the post and on defense.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Still accurate, he has made a big difference we just need to start winning close games now.

    DD
     
  6. cato13

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    Beasley has been the difference maker and if we are going anywhere he needs to play more and the ball needs to be in hands even at crunch time. Dmo has been our best back to the basket option but he can't take over games. Less Howard and more Capela as well.
     
  7. oakdogg

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    Here's a problem I see for DMo. See if you concur. Everybody wants to go small these days. What is the big reason for not going small? Rebounding. Well, our guards rebound about as well as DMo, so why keep him in? He's not a good small ball center either, b/c......his poor rebounding.

    His post game is pretty of course. I'm having trouble seeing how his post ups compare to other plays in efficiency. nba.com tracks "Post Touch", which is not a post-up. Anyway, my guess is we don't post him up, because other plays are more efficient. DMo may be efficient compared to other post players, but maybe not compared to plays from the perimeter.
     
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    or... we don't post him up because our guards can't pass and Harden is a turnover machine.
     
  9. snowconeman22

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    If we go small he has to play the 5 . When other teams go small their big is generally more athletic than Dmo and can drive by him on the perimeter , and better or equal his one on one rebounding . Also Dmo still isn't 100% and won't be until next year ( hopefully ) . he has lost both some feel for the game and athleticism . His feel may come back sooner , but his athleticism won't be illy back for a while .

    We ought to try going big more often . Clint Dmo and Beasley along with harden either Ariza or Brewer . Use size to disrupt other points and be able to post up from multiple positions .
     
  10. Codman

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    This thread has become more entertaining and less serious at this point.

    Every Rockets fan likes DMo. Every Rockets fan wants him to play well and win with the team. I like that DMo is a big man who can post up and doesn't play like Channing Frye.

    No matter how much I love the Rockets and support our players, it doesn't change who DMo is as a player. Would I like him to be a dominant force? Yes. Would I like for him to be the Rockets long-term answer at the power forward position? Of course.

    The truth is that he is not what this thread is about. DMo is a good player and he has the chance to be even better, but he is simply not the Rockets' "X Factor."

    He is skilled and has our favorite p-word ("potential," you nasty fool ;)), but he is not the guy who is going to turn this team around in the future. He could play vital minutes for us or another team, but it's unlikely that he is some "secret" all-star that Morey hid for a few years and failed to trade to Detroit. Some have described him as a "super role player," but that may be a stretch. Wouldn't someone like a younger Jamal Crawford/Manu/David West/Ryan Anderson be the definition of a "super role player?" That's just off of the top of my head and includes guys who have started and come off of the bench.

    Does DMo really have it in him to follow that trajectory? Sure, he has age on his side, but at 25, it's well due for him to be this "x-factor" or "super role player" we all want him to be. And believe me, I would love to be wrong and have DMo finally turn the corner next season and beyond. What we want doesn't always turn out. Just ask Terrence "What Happened To That Boy?!" Jones. We thought we had a double-double guy with handles and a developing post-game, but the numbers and story don't lie, even to the most loyal of fans.

    If we continue to follow the path towards making the post-season, the player who has really become our X-Factor is Michael Beasley. We haven't had him for long, but his ability to come into games and make the impact that the Rockets need shows his value. Despite his reputation of being a distraction (which I can vouch for being false during his time in Phoenix), he may be part of the Rockets' solution in the front-court.

    I hope DMo continues to get stronger and find a rhythm to help the Rockets win, but it may be too soon, or heck, too late, to characterize him as our X-Factor. In a simple mindset, I hope he continues to shoot the ball more and more into the playoffs. That baby-hook is looking much better.
     
  11. oakdogg

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    Are there a lot of great post entry passers elsewhere in the league? DMo's greatest strength is outside of most teams' normal offense, and that is a problem for him - in addition to what I said about his rebounding.
     
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    The scrub Jones is finally buried on the bench where he belongs, that has been one of my biggest points about D-mo. Not sure how good he is, but he's better than Jones who is lost, constantly.

    Now as for my biggest issue about D-mo is his lack of post touches. My point has always been about how inept out our offense has been with Harden on the bench. I have seen nothing even close to being as efficient as him in the post, without Harden we look clueless. We tried it for a stretch last season, and it was very effective almost every time we did it, and yet we just stopped doing it.

    That's the thing that has always, and continues to agitate me. We have a player who clearly has a useful skill, yet we have made no real effort to utilize it. I see him post up all the time, and they simply refuse to give him the ball most times. Instead we turn the ball over, or take a heavily contested shot. And don't tell me about poor position. I've seen him get the ball in poor position plenty, and he's skilled enough to work it into a good shot.

    When you remove that skill, (which is what the Rockets have effectively chosen to do) he really isn't all that useful beyond being a competent rotation player.
     
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    Aside from FG% and 3PT%, DMo is pretty close to getting back into shape.

    His PER36 numbers:
    2014-15 vs 2015-16
    15.1 ppg vs 15.9 ppg
    7.4 rpg vs 7.3 rpg
    2.3 apg vs 2.5 apg
    1.0 spg vs 0.9 spg
    0.6 bpg vs 0.3 bpg
     
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    I sometimes wish we still had K-Pap. He was a master at those entry passes. I think the current Rockets are pretty inadequate in that area, therefore an entry pass often leads to a turnover. Yet, I would prefer we comitted those turnovers while trying to post-up DMo, and not Dwight.
     
  15. jump shooter

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    Very nice post Cod.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Disagree wholeheartedly, he is a very good complimentary player - a guy who plays TEAM ball is exactly what this team needs, in fact it needs MORE of those guys in order to win.

    Love Beasley but he is a me-first player who is very good on getting his own, the problem is that Beasley reinforces bad habits, the kind that have gotten the Rockets to this point.

    ISO ISO ISO - is going to get us stuck in mediocrity forever.

    We need more team guys and we need Harden to play like he did in OKC more often, more as a facilitator and less ISO.

    DMo is the X-factor - he just needs the team to utilize his unique skillset but it seems JBB is too stupid to do anything other than ISO.

    Playing TEAM ball keeps the big guy happy and involved too.....but nah, we can't do that.....sigh

    DD
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stat that jumped out at when doing the daily 3-Pointers: Rockets 11th in defensive rating since break; 8th in March. Were 26th before break.</p>&mdash; Jonathan Feigen (@Jonathan_Feigen) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/status/713741083604180992">March 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    I wonder what major changes happened at the break....
     
  18. LosPollosHermanos

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    player's only meeting.

    Just wait till the next one...we're going to be 1st.
     
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    Upgrading the PF spot from Smith and Jones to DMo and Beasley probably had more to do with it.
     
  20. LosPollosHermanos

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    Wait...so holding 10 players only meeting before the break had no impact?!? ;)


    Yea, anything that involves getting rid of a negative like Jones is a +, and Dmo is coming into his own much to the disappointment of the Morey crowd that likes to wet their pants over a mid first rounder he trades for (and conveniently uses for a salary dump down the line)
     

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