Sorry can't edit, but another very current example is how passionate the college kids are about Bernie in this election cycle. He's the outsider proposing big changes. I think young people can get caught up in that(though in the case of Bernie, that's not really a bad thing).
I was just describing the phenomenon that I have observed. Whether the movement that catches these kids is good or evil is a different discussion.
Maybe there is another variable along with the phenomenon you are describing that turns the light rebellious nature of young adults into maniacs that want to blow themselves up and murder civilians? Maybe that variable is Islam?
your home land if you still call it this way , is one of the most corrupted places on the planet , religion has nothing to do with it, if it had , i would assume it would in a positive way but its the people .
If you are willing to blow yourself up, religion or some sort of dogma is heavily at play. People just don't kill themselves for no reason. The promise of an afterlife has everything to do with their willingness to blow themselves up. If religion wasn't in play, they would care about retaining their lives because they wouldn't believe in an afterlife where they are rewarded for killing kafirs. You can't be this much of a half-wit to believe religion has nothing to do with it.
check this out from Wikipedia : according to one source, Abdeslam was already known to police authorities as a person involved in petty crime.[15][16] Another states that both he and Abaaoud were imprisoned for armed robbery in 2010.[5] According to the lawyer representing Abaaoud, his client and Abdeslam were arrested in December 2010 for attempting to break into a parking garage.[17] In February 2011, Abdeslam was convicted for breaking and entering.[18] In February 2015, he was arrested by Dutch police and charged for possession of cannabis. He was subsequently fined €70.[19] does this sound like if he is devoted or is this a way of spiritualism!!! , since 9/11 almost every suspect spent his last day in a Bar or consumed drugs ... speaking of drugs google who made billions for the past decade with drugs biz
You do know your narrative actually contradicts what you intend to entail? Why would someone who loves the physical world(stealing objects, partying etc) want to abruptly end it? Why aren't atheist thugs or psychopaths not suicide bombing a subway, train station or airport once every other week?
do you really see things in this simplistic fashion !if you do , then you must believe LRA are the true devoted Christians! i [youtube]/vrva2aKW1lU[/youtube]
Being or not being a 'true devoted xxx' is irrelevant because every individual has their own version of 'true devoted xxx'. The actual question is: 'Is there anything inherent amongst the scripture or the actions of the founder of xxx religion that results in [insert violent act]?' Anyways, this seems to be the go to move by Islamic apologists: "Look, others do it to. Let me completely ignore scale though because scale is completely irrelevant".
I don't think that's fair. 1. Yeah, everything is more connected now because of the internet, telphony, and ease of travel. Not only is terrorism more global, but everything is more global. That makes the manifestations of terrorism today somewhat different, but doesn't really mean the drivers are different. It's global because of technological progress, not because of the nature of Islam. 2. I'd say there is only a loose correlation between Islamic terrorism in Southeast Asia and the Middle East. Islam is a common thread, but concerns in those two parts of the world are very different. 3. We have seen very broad scope movements against imperialism before. All of Latin America revolted against Spain en masse. Much of African anti-imperialism came in a wave after World War 2. East Asian communism (if you think Muslim extremists are extreme, please have another look at the communists) was an anti-imperialist movement that went through China, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos in quick succession. Those are huge areas considering they did all this without the telephone or television, much less the internet. 4. In fact, comparing current Muslim extremism to historical anti-imperial movements, ISIS and AQ are pretty insignificant. ISIS has tens of thousands of fighters fighting for control of a country of millions. The Chinese Communist Revolution involved millions for control of a country of hundreds of millions. Millions were killed. 30 dead in a terror attack is paltry by comparison. That's not even considering the knock-on effects for Korea, Vietnam, the Khmer Rouge, etc. It strikes me as highly ignorant for Honey Bear to come and say no one in history has been so upset about imperialism that they'd fight this hard. If anything the lesson is the opposite -- this can't be an anti-imperialism fight or they'd be fighting a whole lot harder. In truth, I think it is essentially an anti-imperialist fight, just not a very popular one. They're like the Black Hand of the early 20th century: not a strong enough movement to win anything for themselves, but dangerous enough to cause problems for everyone else.
actually i am a Christian-Muslim-Atheist etc,.... "apologist" , i look at each case individually before assuming things can be labeled , if that was the case, life would be much ..simpler.. this gangster claims to advocate their Race, not sure all Whites overwhelmed with this privilege [youtube]vA47_colJ_s[/youtube]
None of what you linked to reveals any evidence of the US having trained al-Qaeda. I get it, they're all Muslims/Arabs/brown people, but just because they all look alike to you does not make them the same. The Arab mujahadeen were a very small fraction of the overall forces fighting against the Soviets, and Afghans had very little participation in al-Qaeda (ZERO of the 9/11 hijackers were Afghan).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Arabs 35,000 ------------------------------------------------------- anyway , i dont think twice if its the US Policy as the main source of blame , former French imperialism killed in Algeria alone over 2 million people . i think the biggest blame share on the Nationalist Arab leaders that created the Extremist opposition religious ideology Jamal AbdelNaser, Ba'ath party in Iraq/Syria Qaddafi, etc;
No bro, you seriously ask yourself where this active seeking of a caliphate was pre-1950's. Do you think it's a coincidence that, regardless of the spread of terrorism, whenever there have been guerilla tactics they have been aimed at the particular imperialist of the time whether the British, Ottomans or America and its allies? Why are these people not focused on China and Japan more than they are on Belgium, a relatively meaningless link in the ally chain? Also, please don't insult my intelligence with this "imposing a caliphate" thing. America is imposing its caliphate right now. Britain imposed its caliphate. Spain, Netherlands, Portugal, France, Arabia, Persia, everyone. Hitler and Stalin and Truman wanted it, and one of them got it. Every country dreams of spreading its theology. Just using the word caliphate is a joke and you know full well that people on here don't understand the context when stated that way. A government believes its laws are the best mix of laws in the world, and wishes everyone would follow the same thing so everyone could be happy. Big shocker. What do you think Washington was talking about when he called America a nascent empire? What about Jefferson wishing it to be an expansive empire? What about when they refused to set a border? What about George Bush telling us God told him to invade? What about Vietnam, was that not about extending the american caliphate? What about the whole f'ing cold war in fact? Also, the undisputable tell-all question IMO: who is Mosadegh? I won't impose my bias on the subject. HERE, you check it out. The US government is POLICING the world. Maybe you need some time to think about this. When Egyptian people are kicking Mubarak the f out, and Hillary is busy talking to Sisi and Obama is busy clutching on to any hope that Mubarak might stay until he's definitely gone, what is all this? Did the Egyptian people not try hard enough? are they trying to impose a caliphate or is the US trying to do so? How will there be a caliphate when no two Islamic countries on earth have nearly the same sharia law? In the UAE you can legally drink alcohol and dry hump whoever you hook up with at a Nicki Minaj concert. In Saudi, all those people get executed or go to jail for serious offences. So, what's sharia law? At the end of the day, don't forget that this is what we are talking about, and virtually all of these governments are friendly to the US except the one noticable one: AND NO ONE CHOSE THIS. And what happens if you say "hey, wait a minute"? Loud and clear. Just to put this into perspective for you, 50% of Muslims want their personal version of Sharia as government law but over 85% of Arabs agree that the US is the #1 threat to the region and the world. 85% of people agree on the threat. Think about it for a second. Not even 2 out of 10 disagree. It's not up for debate. This is oppression and invasion and control, and these things have psychological and on-the-ground and moral and ethical consequences. No one was trying to f'ing bomb America in the 1800's lol. They were doing the same thing they're doing now, which they'll do forever until it's over: the huge majority will oppose invaders who are physically present in the region, and some of those people will be violent just statistically. When you consider that 85% consider the presence a threat, it's actually a miracle how there are still functional countries around, that we haven't had to deal with even more terrorism than this in the region. It's just time to get out man. It's not an option. It's not a difference of opinion. The presence is criminal, aggressive, violent, immoral, crooked and any financial benefit that comes from it, 90% of Americans will never see a dime of. This is not a civilized society, your government are the only ones doing this thing on a serious scale. There's no reasonable self defense claim that can be made with this quantity of bases, weapons, soldiers, wars, etc. That schtick only works in America and a handful of European countries. Everyone else has had 60 years to look at this, it's out in the open, there's no discussing whether this is the single HYUGEST factor affecting all Arabs. Of course it is. Imagine your country was surrounded by Russian bases, would that not be the dominating factor in your country's ability to persist, develop, etc? Or do you, like every other imperialist ever, believe that you just happen to be the new and good imperialist who learned from the misbehaving of previous imperialists? Meanwhile you're on here asking me whether I know most Muslims would love to see their ethics and morals and principles imposed globally? Yeah, every religious person does. Christians do too. And as I've said before, the only difference between George Bush and OBL is where they were born. If OBL were American, he would have been your president. If George Bush was Saudi, he would be engaging in terrorism just like OBL did. No question about that. They are both scum, and their trajectory has to do with a whole host of socio-economic, psychological, geo-political factors and yes to some extent the blind faith in a religion that they both exhibit. Caliphate? lol I want you to come down here and start asking Muslims in my country of all nationalities, income levels, whatever you want whether they believe in creating a caliphate. I really think you need to experience hearing answers because the way this society is segmented makes it so obvious what's going on.
Again, generally speaking. Singling out a few out of thousands of fighters across the globe doesn't help your case. Look at the community where the Belgian attacker came from, what is the employment rate? Literacy? Wealth? You clearly have your agenda, which is fine. In the historical context, all religions whose believers have bleak futures and little education are more likely to commit atrocities. Do you know what the literacy rate among Muslims is?
What case? I have stated that people with more education and more wealth are less likely to blow themselves up. However, they have a core motivation and they state it - Islam. So what is your case? That Islam is not part of their motivation, although they state it as such? What exactly is your case? And why is that? What is part of what is holding them back? Apparently, almost half of them are illiterate. They also have a much higher rate of inbreeding. Does this help your case, whatever it is?
This thread is about American imperialist policies and examples were given with each of those examples about groups that rose up. There's very little doubt that American foreign policies, and the West for the matter, has had a large hand in the current state of Africa, S. America, SE Asia, and the Middle East. Of course religious belief is the core cause but policies that destabilize large regions are the underlying cause. Probably for much of the same reasons various immigrant groups have taken time to assimilate. Keeping them illiterate is a good way to control them. Pretty much what happened in Europe during the Dark Ages with the Catholic Church. History repeats itself across time and across cultures. It does help my case obviously.
And you deflect away from everything else. I'll just assume you just agree with everything else I said. This: Is this OP not about imperialistic principles and policies in regards to Islamic Terrorism? Seemed the OP was quickly dismissed.
