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Yes if we are agreeing that this violence has originated from the Middle East. I believe Muslim suicide bombings originated during the Iran Iraq war. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, there are also more Muslims in Southeast Asia than there are in the Middle East, but the export of terrorism doesn't really occur there either. It does seem to occur in the Middle East far more often.

The geographic nuance is important to note. Just wanted to point this out. We don't have to agree but I don't think it can be denied from my understanding of things. Please correct me if I'm wrong or off base.

 

Indonesia lacking violence and terror on the whole? Surely you are not serious? Indonesia has been home to multiple serious terrorist attacks perpetrated in the name of Islam - most notably the "Bali bombing" in 2002 in which over 200 people were killed (including 88 of my fellow Australians)

And not to mention the Christmas Eve 2000 attack, 2003 Marriott suicide bombing, 2004 bombing of the Australian Embassy, 2005 bombings at Jimbaran Bay Bali, and 2009 suicide bombings of the Marriott (again) and Ritz Carlton.

If you are going to use Indonesia as a beacon of hope, perhaps you should do a little research first.

 

I do and I would at least start with something like the following,

1. short term ban on muslim immigrants or immigrants from known terrorist countries.
2. during short term ban collecting visa applications, and do thorough background checks.
3. work with a country to create staging area (an ellis island) where refugees can be processed before entering the country. note, in true capitalistic fashion it was on the shippers dime if a person got rejected at ellis island (about 2% total) to return them to europe. so shippers tried really hard not to make mistakes. there were double cleared you could say.
4. start intelligence agency secret propaganda project (see PBSUCCESS and AJAX) to create impression that IS is losing at every level. money, terrority, fighters, etc... must create reality that they are a losing side and joining them would be a waste. infiltrate local muslim communities spreading propaganda against IS including their atrocities, even if we make some of them up. also, force/ask the media to report the attacks but do not name IS as the source even if IS claims it. call them unnamed terrorist org or something. no reference to IS or Muslim or Islam in fact. we have to create the reality that WE are winning, they are losing, create doubt among sympathizers, basically starve IS out.
5. support syria, to help defeat IS on ground
6. heavily support moderate Muslim countries with conditions that they help rebuild image of US in their countries/regions.

long term,

1. un sanctions against syria
2. transition propaganda into outreach, assimilation programs
3. change immigration law to make it safer, faster, cheaper, more efficient overall. it's broken now which is why people aren't picking the legal options.
4. remove immigration bans, use new efficient systems and laws

 

hey honey bear you sensitive little snowflake --

whatever happened to Trader_Jorge?

 

Last time I checked, Islam was a religion.

 

so, choke off immigration, support a regime that bombs civilians nihilistically, then make sure that regime has no money so that it's forced to starve the remaining civilians rather than choose to do so?

I mean, you might as well say 1) Kill many Syrians and make sure none of them can get out while somebody decides what "use new efficient systems and laws" (???) means.

 

it's not easy, it's war. and eventually, as i stated, syria leadership will be forced to pay. you know the allied powers weren't all buddies but a greater enemy united them. we're in a simular situation now with global terror.

but i have to ask, are you suggesting we should protect Syrian citizens before american citizens?

 

please, the statistically null risk of a terror attack harming Americans is orders of magnitude less then a barrel bomb blowing up a few Syrian children. #alllivesmatter amirite

Are you suggesting that Syria is the USSR, and ISIS are Nazi Germany? I find that faulty on many many levels.

I'm actually suggesting America should focus on things that actually kill a hell of a lot more Americans, like guns, cars, and hamburgers. Ironically, if that means not supporting regimes that are walking billboards for terrorists, so much the better. If it also means not sketching out plans that condemn tens of thousands of people to death, even better.

I hear those kind of plans cause resentment and desperate conditions that breed terrorism.

 

Political Correctness is something that exists on college campuses and is around minority groups claiming they have the right not to be offended in the college environment. Your use here is non-sensical.

Kudos for you for at least giving a platform (unlike other Anti-Islam posters such as ATW). I don't see why banning and then lifting the ban on Muslims accomplishes anything more than just directly changing the immigration process. Banning all Muslims from entry is the definition of discriminatory practices. How do you define if someone is Muslim anyway?

CIA propaganda programs have failed miserably in the past, why would they magically work now?

How about pushing for the modernization of Muslim countries with proper education and woman's rights and ending draconian laws?

 

great long term idea that matches my idea of supporting moderate muslim countries. but this is long term category.

 

right better to first employ xenophobic short-term ideas to make things worse.

 

In respect to national security, I am to the right of Dick Cheney.

The Geneva Convention must be revised to reflect a different world, where civilized nations are being harmed by criminals who do not respect the traditional laws of wars.

The Supreme Court have stated that even unlawful combarants are afforded at least minimum protections under the Geneva Convention. I vehemently disagree.
Those bastards ought to be subject to the most effective interrogations techniques, whatever that may be.

Prevention or effective responses can not be hampered by an outdated document. Revise it to exclude terrorists from any protection.

RIP to all the victims.

 

You could argue that they are respecting the "traditional laws of war", according to Mohammed "The Caravan Raider".

 

This. Exactly this. How is banning immigration of a certain religious group going to solve the long term issue? How is it going to do anything besides inflame the Muslim population that currently reside in the U.S?

 

The moment you realize that the more 'effective' technique is handing them cash and promising them that they will be set free rather than a pair of jumper cables. If you want to get truthful answers instead of answers just to let the pain stop, the 'effective' method is the exact opposite of what you perceive.

 

So you are ok with the enemy treating our captured soldiers that way? Imagine those soldier were your top 10 most loved ones.

 

You don't even have to play the empathy card. Pragmatically, torture is pretty useless also.

 

I'm more afraid of a crazy America shooting a movie theater or a church, than a suicide boomer in an airport.

And by afraid I mean not afraid, I have more chances of dying by slipping and falling in the bathtop than being part of a terrorist attack.

Yes they are sad events but if we really care about human life there is a lot of other things that will prevent dead including stop bombing innocents people.

 

I think Bill Maher makes a solid point here that refutes this line of thinking. I actually agreed with your sentiment before he made the argument below:

A lightning strike or a shark isn't actively seeking out nuclear war heads or dirty bombs. The magnitude of destruction an Islamic terrorist desires is only limited by resources.