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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. Deckard

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    I didn't realize that he could make laws that abridged the freedom of speech, or the press.
     
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    1. Again, Trump's rhetoric has not been primarily focused on taxes. Trump's rhetoric has largely focused on tariff regimes, illegal immigration, and visas. Enforcing current US laws and tweaking them a bit won't "magically change everything", it will instead "economically change somethings".

    2. Trade war?

    3. Could you explain how a lack of taxes "result in less money injecting into the economy over time"? Because, as I recall, GDP include BOTH government and non-government spending. So what should it matter (GDP wise) whether the federal government or an individual spends that dollar?

    4. What do tax-cuts/taxation have to do with unemployment benefits? Though, you do bring up a decent point about unemployment benefits having not risen much in 20 years. However, I don't see the connection between unemployment benefits, tax cuts, and redistribution.
     
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    Donald Trump is the most talented and skilled politician in this election cycle.

    Normally the candidate with the most charisma and political talent wins out (Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama); but Trump has not ran as a uniting candidate, so this will be very interesting to watch play out.
     
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    I completely disagree with this statement. Completely.

    Donald Trump is dominating an electorate that was ripe for the message he is delivering, but it doesn't make him the most talented/skilled politician. He's the most bombastic and xenophobic at a time when a section of the country is hungry for that.

    He's Zach Levine dominating the dunk contest. The problem for him is that once the dunk contest is over, he's going to have a problem winning the actual game.
     
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    president trump is going to loosen up those pesky libel laws! that will really help make america great again.

    so remember, the biggest problem with america is that we are too politically correct, but president trump wants to be able to sue anybody who writes anything about him that he does not like.
     
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    Yes, change this for the worse - that is correct. His policies would be horrible for middle class Americans.

    Yes - that is what happens if you let Trump institute his tariffs, you see other countries then put up their own tariffs - that's called a trade war. It does not end well for either side overall but will help individual industries and hurt others

    Yes because GDP is personal consumption + gov't spending (and investment). What happens though is the money the rich are saving from taxes is not being spent or invested (in the US). Thus instead of gov't spending that money (increasing the GDP) and the people who benefit from that spend spending the money they now have (another boost to GDP) - it is used to buy foreign real estate or stocks, or even us stocks, which does not appear in GDP. So you are literally seeing our GDP take a hit from the rich tax cuts.

    Because of tax cuts, gov't spending has to be capped, so benefits like UI don't see increases even if just to stay in line with inflation. Thus tax cuts for the wealthy, then followed by balanced budget initiatives result in effectively taking money from people who were getting it or going to get it, and instead moving it into the hands of the wealthy who are not spending it, which in turns means even less money going into society.

    In reality tax cuts beyond a certain point are "trickle up" economics.
     
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    Can someone explain to me what exactly we can expect if it ends up that Trump does not obtain 1237 delegates, and we have an open convention in July? I've tried reading up on it, but most of the time, I come away more confused than when I started.
     
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    I'll agree with both of you. I agree with Nook he is the most charismatic. That's probably more a criticism of the field than a credit to Trump. But, there's more skill to politicking than charisma. As 'skilled politicians' go, I'd give it to Cruz (on shrewdness) and then Clinton (on experience). Trump has been beating Cruz anyway, but I don't think it's really the result of any skill Trump has.
     
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    It depends on how close he is to having a majority, if he's just a few votes short, he'll probably get it, if he's significantly short, then the delegates will likely put their support behind Kasich or Cruz....candidates with some kind of chance to win a national election.
     
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    Basically:
    Trump vs Cruz
    Hell in a Cell
    Wrestlemania
     
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    Trump is killing cruz with less than half the money spent.
     
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    I don't know if there is a non-confusing way for it to be explained. From the best I can understand, the convention will have a few thousand real people elected from all the local Republican party territories that represent the Republican voters in their area. After X number of balloting to try to get 1,237 delegates to vote for the same guy, each delegate is eventually released from the obligation of his assigned candidate and he can vote whichever way he wants to. Candidates can try to cut deals for endorsements (like get Rubio to ask delegates originally assigned to him to vote for Cruz), persuade them directly (like Trump giving a speech at the convention that delegates find persuading), candidates can make promises (Kasich can promise Kentucky he'll do x, y and z to save the coal industry there if he's president), or whatever else they can think of. Please anyone correct me where I'm wrong.

    Imo, Trump fairs poorly in this environment because he doesn't have the relationships or savvy to know how to manipulate the organs of the Party. I'm sure he's got people working on it, but this seems like the natural environment for someone like Ted Cruz to know the right people, to get the right delegates elected, and so on. What Trump has in his favor is that he'll have the biggest plurality of assigned delegates, which will put some pressure on delegates that want to do their best to represent their state. But, I think Trump will end up getting outflanked unless he can come in with a near-majority.
     
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    "Charisma" is not the right word. It usually implies attractiveness and charm. Maybe it's "compelling".

    If you applied a value to 'air time' , the costs for Trumps exposure would be huuuge. But Mr. Trump has found that outrageousness gets advertisers to pay for the eyeballs he commands.
     
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    Trump has "celebrity" and nothing else. He's the Kim Kardashian of politics. If judged only on his merits, he's completely worthless.
     
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    1. Trump is playing the short game of winning the Republican primary. Cruz is playing the long game of winning the presidency. Witness how badly Trump is performing in polls in a head-to-head via the Democratic candidates. To win his near-term success, Trump has said things to please primary voters that he'll have a hard time walking back for the general. When Cruz says things to please the base, he also thinks ahead about its impact on the general election.

    2. Trump isn't a dummy. He does well in the media. He has charisma. I don't mean to take credit from him. But, I also think there is an element of serendipity to his traction. Where Cruz, imo, can put up a good fight in any environment, Trump would be either a smashing success or a complete disaster depending on the situation, with disasters probably more likely.

    3. Trump hasn't won yet. With as many enemies he has, he shouldn't count his eggs before they're hatched.
     
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    Worthless like who, the congress in the past 8 years?
     

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