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Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    It's interesting how folks on either side of the aisle think that the country has either gotten much more right wing than it used to be, or much more left wing than it used to be, depending on who you're talking to.

    In my opinion right/left are just finding more issues to be diametrically opposed on, unfortunately.
     
  2. ipaman

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    The hosts and viewers are PEOPLE just like you and me!!! You're telling me they can't see what everyone else sees?!?!

    Give me a break..., they asked the questions and he gave REAL answers!!! Wall Street doesn't want the truth in public. They get bailed out while we get kicked out, that's real talk.
     
  3. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    The problem with this whole both sides do it thing is that the positions are historically verifiable. Formerly Republican positions just 20-30 years ago are now Democratic positions, amnesty on immigration and Obamacare for example. Reagan would get kicked out of his own party right now for not being a conservative. Kasich, an actual Reagan conservative, is seen by Republicans as a liberal conservative. It's not really a matter of liberal opinion that the country has taken a hard lurch to the right.
     
  4. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Both of those things are probably true though. People with middle class money and upwards are moving right wards, and they're a small but loud and invasive group of people.

    Everyone else is moving left. So most Americans are moving left, but America is moving right.

    The main issue is that the two parties do not have significant areas of disagreement in the areas where Americans ask for the most change. They just won't do it, and they'll waste your money to put the fakeness on display. Sure, they'll throw Americans an OLD bone every once in a while - mar1juana, gay marriage - but those should have happened ages ago. Just like slavery, by the time the discrimination ends, you realize that the problems are not just institutional and there's a way bigger fight ahead.

    The right and left agree on disagreeing when big issues come up, but agreeing to disagree is not conducive to democracy.
     
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  6. glynch

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  8. Dubious

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    The Party will marginalize Bernie, he will remain an Independent. He will continue the same political stances he has for 50 years and his supporters will continue to listen. But there will be no, 0, none major legislation passed for her tenure anyway. She will be obstructed, opposed, and villainized for every bureau head, judgeship and Post Office name, every step of the way from the right so that any criticism from the left will be lost in the wind.

    That's how the 1% has moved the center to the right over the last 16 years.
     
  9. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    We are moving socially to left on some social issues, but are moving right on economic policy and defense.
     
  10. glynch

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  11. Deckard

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    Bernie would be a fool not to ardently, at least in public, support Hillary if she gets the nod. Why? Lifetime Federal judicial appointments. Not "just" the Supreme Court, but also the rest of them. Those appointments directly affect the American people for decades. In my opinion, national security, the health of the economy, and those lifetime judicial appointments are the 3 most important responsibilities for an American President, and I would place the judicial appointments second, right after national security.
     
  12. glynch

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    Bernie will support Hillary. He is pragmatic as he resists the corporate Dems.

    My take. Bill and Hil had brief periods of being progressive while in college and know how to talk the talk and are fairly liberal on social issues.

    In leading the Democratic Party into being the junior Wall Street Party they lost both houses of Congress, shipped out millions of US jobs, neutered the labor movement, lost much of the white working class, got their own bank accounts fattened up and did virtually nothing to even slow down the redistribution of wealth up to the 1%. Obama with his continual talk of cutting social security colas and his relatively weak insurance reform the ACA, originally concocted in a conservative think tank to keep the insurance company middlemen involved was pretty similar.

    I know they were better than the Republicans who have been moving rapidly more toward the right.
     
  13. Scolalist

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    Bernie is classy and would support Clinton, but a good amount of voters who are disgusted with SuperPacs buying campaigns and a a moderate democrat Who's been caught lying time and time again throughout this campaign and buying super delegates and relies on a Super Pac that is backed by Wall Street who owns all the major media like the NY times claiming Obama backed Clinton which the White House press secretary had to deny or CNN showing an empty stage at a Trump rally in favor of the 30k who turned out for Sanders in Washington, one of the largest turnouts from any candidate in US history or even mention it at all.

    Bernie will either be voted in and be one of the best historical presidents or Trump/Cruz will be voted in and America will become third world poor sick and violent. Goodbye healthcare, economic prosperity & wages, schools, the enviroment, food, diplomacy, respect, love, dignity, etc. Hello sickness, disease & terrorism
     
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    Wow 80/20 splits in Utah and Idaho, overall even with the loss in Arizona he will be taking 60% of the delegates I believe, solid day for him.


    How is he supposed to do in Washington and Wisconsin, he should do well right?

    Here's how I see it in basketball terms...It's the semi Finals, team Bernie vs team Clinton, Bernie's down by 15 points with 6 minutes left in the 4th, the odds are stacked pretty high against him at this point, but he has a fighting chance to make a strong run to squeak by and steal the W.

    Winner advances to the finals to face trump
     
  15. glynch

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    Bernie won more delegates than Hillary yesterday. 57 to 51. He lost Arizona but won the smaler states of Utah and Idaho big. This is not enough to close the gap and Hillary will probably still run out the clock. Millions are still contesting the corporate elite controlling the Dem Party though the Clinton Machine.

    Hillary looks almost silly as she apes nearly all of Bernie's positions and now tries to imitate his style of giving a speech. Who knows she may largely act on her new rhetoric for health care, affordable college and even lol some reform on Wall Street. Let us hope so, especially if the Democratic Wing of the Dem Party i.e the Bernie wing can keep the pressure on her to overcome her corporate funders on Wall Street and in the insurance/healthcare industry.


    Hillary is practically a neo-con, just a bit more moderate than Cheney when it comes to invading countries in the Middle East or overthrowing progressive governments in Latin America. There has been talk about how the neo-cons will throw their support to her since Trump seems unreliably enough of a war lover for them. She was the person in the Obama Administration who pushed for the creation of the failed state in Lybya, she fought unsucessfully for the US military to enter the war to overthrow Assad in Syria, as the Israeli/neo-cons wanted. She was involved in the coup in Honduras which has led to such a mess and the horrible violence and the kids fleeing to the US. She supported the coup in Ukraine etc. Hillary is worse than Obama for sure on foreign policy (better in you like perpetual war).

    Hillary is making it hard as a progressive to vote for her. However, the GOP keeps moving harder right. Of course the little guys in the GOP are starting to wise up and are not marching lot step for the GOP establishment, but for Trump who as Robert Reich says is not a conservative , but an authoritarian with fascistic tendencies whose policies are all over the map.
     
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  16. Major

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    I'm sorry to tell you this, but it wasn't a solid day. Use this site as your daily reference:

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/

    It tells you how each candidate needs to do in each state to get to 50%, *assuming they were tied today*. Bernie will get fewer delegates than he was projected to need. This is because his path to the nomination already assumes he would dominate the smaller caucuses, but he underperformed expectations in the big primary of the day.

    Even if they had come into the race tied in delegates yesterday, Hillary would be in better shape today than yesterday, despite falling behind in delegates because she got more delegates than expected from the day while he got less.

    Basically, he fell even further behind his necessary pace yesterday, despite winning a majority of the delegates, if that makes any sense.
     
  17. SamFisher

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    Try 15 points with 1 minute left. He has to win every single primary from here on out...by a crushing margin, basically get 3 pointers and steals on every play. Good luck
     
  18. dc rock

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    Jeff Weaver is a nut and loose cannon. A real wild card. Hopefully, Tad can bring this boat back to port before Bernie is forever lost at sea.
     
  19. Major

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    Actually, scratch that. Not all of the delegates have been finalized yet according to Bernie, so we'll have to see the final numbers. So far, they list Hillary at 59 and Bernie 58, but there's 31 outstanding. Not sure if those are superdelegates or not.

    Going into the day, Hillary's goal was to get 57. Bernie's was to get 74.
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    I understand you want to cling to the belief that your party really cares, but its quite the opposite. The elite (and its not just corporate) control Clinton through the Democrat party. The elite control the parties, not the candidates. The parties control the candidate. The parties choose who get put on the ticket. Occasionally there is a Trump who bucks the system and manages to float to the top.
    As bad as Trump is, at least the right side are fighting against their corrupt party system. The Liberals continue to march to the beat of insanity. However sometimes ignorance is truly bliss.
     

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