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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. Amiga

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    so i can chime in on this from a direct source present at one of the GS speeches.....she basically spoke as if she was a part of the firm, on the board if you will, also citing her husband's successful repeal of glass-steagal, which was a huge windfall for GS in the 90's and largely orchestrated by then treasury sec rubin (a prominent GS partner from the trading side)......the main damage if these transcripts got out would simply be embarressment for her.....how would she explain away playing both sides when she claims she's fighting for the common shmuck and then speaking to GS MD's in terms of 'we' and 'us'
     
  3. mikus

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    Well here's a primer to start from The Atlantic.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...roversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/

    A bigger issue is the Clintons' propensity to be "flexible" with the truth. Bill had enough charisma to pull it off, Hillary always looks a bit like a deer in headlights. Bill would laugh it off, like haha, I smoked but didn't inhale. Hillary doesn't have that ability, her likely response would be to just deny it but in an unconvincing manner that would cause people to look for her DNA on the discarded blunt. All that being said, my guess is that Hillary would do the least harm to the country, between her, Cruz, and Trump.
     
  4. geeimsobored

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    If you honestly think this is unique to her, you're living in a fantasy. Wall Street has had its hooks in every president for years.

    Also GS didn't really benefit from Glass-Steagall's repeal. The banks that benefited were commercial banks like Wells Fargo and Chase that were able to start investment banking operations. Even AIG didn't really benefit as they didnt engage in commercial banking. They got caught up in credit default swaps and securities lending. None of that has to do with Glass Steagall's repeal.

    The transcripts are a red herring. I'm sorry, but where was this scrutiny of Obama in 2008 or any other Democratic nominee. Wall Street makes very calculated bets in elections. They'll support who they think will win because unlike some other industries, they have every incentive to bet on both parties at all times. This is contrived controversy and is a distraction. I applaud Bernie Sanders for his independence on issues around banking and Wall Street but it is maddening that people are choosing to single out Hillary Clinton for this when EVERY other candidate in both parties (including our current president) have huge ties to Wall Street. Wall Street has completely infected politicians on both sides so it makes little sense to single out Hillary for this after multiple elections where we just ignored Wall Street money going to Democrats.

    Lastly, we need to stop blaming Glass-Steagall for everything. Repealing it was a bad idea but it alone didn't cause the financial crisis. Most of the firms that failed weren't a result of Glass-Steagall. Glass-Steagall did help create more too big to fail institutions but it by itself wasn't the cause of the collapse.
     
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    we have starkly different views about the fallout of glass-steagal's repeal, and i'll leave it at that.
     
  6. ROXTXIA

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    Gallup Polls, the same poll that had Romney dick-slapping Obama right up until actual Election Day? (Jopat, holding half-eaten turnip to the sky: "And if Romney loses.....as God is my witness.....I'll never post again!" Cue "GWTW" theme music.)

    Other polls put Trump's unfavorability ratings extremely high.

    I've learned to take polls with a grain of salt.
     
  7. Amiga

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    Links to other polls?
     
  8. Baba Booey

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    I think the polls for the national election are skewed right now. People who aren't paying attention are being exposed to negative Trump stories everywhere they look and that has to be reflected in the polling. When those people start paying attention to the general election, Trump is going to have a chance to win them over.
     
  9. Deckard

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    Donald Trump? What a freakin' hypocrite:

    Trump's Mar-a-Lago hires hundreds of foreign workers

    Here's Donald Trump's dilemma: He is running for president on a platform of bringing jobs back to the U.S. and making America Great again.
    But at his private club in south Florida, he has filled his staff almost exclusively with imported foreign workers. And he has been doing it for years.

    The U.S. Department of Labor has confirmed to CNN that between 2013 and fall 2015, Trump's Mar-a-Lago club posted 250 seasonal job openings and filled just 4 of those jobs with American workers. The club requested the rest of the staff be temporarily imported through the Federal government's H-2B visa process. Basically, Mar-a-Lago brings in its seasonal staff from overseas.

    Mar-a-Lago is a mansion that Donald Trump has turned into a members-only private club in Palm Beach, Florida. The wife of New York stockbroker E.F. Hutton built it in 1927. Mrs. Hutton, who would become Marjorie Merriweather Post, used Mar-a-Lago as a winter retreat for her and her wealthy Wall Street friends. Gilded in tile and other decorations, it reeked of the opulence of the pre-Depression roaring 1920s: Think Great Gatsby, flamboyant parties, poolside waiters.

    Mar-a-Lago, literally Sea-to-Lake in Spanish, became a National Historic site in 1969. Post passed away in the early 1970s and the mansion was turned over to the federal government to be used as a presidential retreat. It didn't catch on, and was eventually placed on the market.
    Trump says he bought Mar-a-Lago in 1985 for $5 million. He then began remodeling the 114-room mansion for use as his personal residence, and in 1995, he opened the home as a club for the super wealthy escaping the harsh winters of the north. Membership fees are $100,000 with annual dues of $14,000. On its website, Mar-a-Lago is called "the greatest mansion ever built."

    Mar-A-Lago is seasonal. It's open when it's too cold to play golf in other parts of the country. And it closes when it's too hot to play golf in southern Florida. And that, says Trump, makes it hard to find American workers willing to fill full time service jobs for roughly eight months a year.

    Renee Seymore did apply to one of the job postings. She is a 22 year-old with experience as a waitress, and says she told Trump's staff she would have had no problems accepting a seasonal position at Mar-a-Lago. She was never hired. In fact, she says she was never even formally turned down for the job.

    After an in-person interview, Seymore waited for a phone call that never came. "No message, no email, no nothin'," she explained to CNN. "I needed that income because I was outta work. Like I told 'em, I don't care if they put me scrubbing a floor. It's money. It's a job."
    Trump's campaign has not offered additional comments regarding criticism over the hiring practices at Mar-a-Lago. Instead, Trump has stuck to his explanation on the campaign trail that he could not find U.S. workers who would take the jobs.

    Trump will have a hard time convincing at least one Florida waitress. "It hurts," Seymore told CNN. "You have other people coming from another country trying to have jobs that I should be working. And it's not right."

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/18/news/economy/trump-maralago
     
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    Thank you Renee Seymore. We know absolutely nothing about you but we will use you to defeat the Trump defense that seasonal workers that are U.S. citizens are hard to find as employees. We are equally outraged that you didn't receive a phone call back letting you know if your would receive employment.
     
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    I would love for any Trump supporter out there to try to justify with a straight face how in the world a candidate to be the proverbial "leader of the free world" can have a monomaniacal fixation on a reporter. Seriously, does it not disturb you how obsessed Mr. Trump is with Megyn Kelley? You want this guy to be President??? Wow.
     
  12. RockFanFirst

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    But she had experience as a waitress! She'd scrub floors!
     
  13. CometsWin

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    One of the many creepy things about the guy for sure. How about his marriage? He seems to interact with her like an employee, weird as hell. His daughter? He seems to wish she was his wife. Creeeepy. The incredibly thin skin he has? That infomercial speech after Super Tuesday was just weird as hell. He actually insinuated about his dick size during a nationally televised debate. He calls people names like a junior high kid. He repeats himself like a moron. The other day he called Clinton corrupt despite his own admission to bribing politicians for decades. It's exasperating.
     
  14. Deji McGever

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    Trump is a walking obscenity and an unabashed narcissist. I get a bit peeved when he's called a fascist and compared to Mussolini, because
    A. There are more colors in the authoritarian rainbow than just fascism and
    B. He's not even the same league of competence as Benito Mussolini. You'd have to have trains in the first place to make them run on time.

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    And the problem with all the free press he gets for being Donald Trump, is that it keeps the spotlight off of Ted Cruz, his bat**** insane Dominionism, and over-the-top hate from his own party and colleagues from within the Senate.

    Kasich is more conservative than Dole, W, McCain, or Romney but is slagged as the "not-conservative-enough" candidate because GOP voters have long since departed on the John Birch express.

    The best Republican in the race is undoubtedly Hillary Clinton, which is what we are likeliest to end up with, which will still be "controversial" even though she's about as corporate as an Aeron chair, and well-right of Nixon, because only in America is a multi-millionaire WASP attorney from Evanston perceived as Angela Davis and Jane Fonda combined to both her adoring Boomer fans and the bitter old white men who hate her.
     
  15. Scarface281

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    Don't forget that Trump stuck his finger up to the establishment in Palm Beach when he took over, insisting on Blacks and Jews to be allowed.

    http://netrightdaily.com/2016/03/tr...nd-blacks-at-palm-beach-golf-course-in-1990s/
     
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    So we shouldn't be critical of any politician that doesn't hate Jews and African-Americans? If that's the high bar of moral integrity for a presidential candidate, I'd hate to see what it would be for someone running for sheriff or mayor of Palm Beach County.
     
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    We should see the entire story instead of just one tidbit. I think going against the old guard establishment in that county definitely shows something. How many others just fell in line?
     
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    Mitt Romney: Vote for Ted Cruz over 'Trumpism'


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    Former presidential candidate Mitt Romney will vote for Texas Senator Ted Cruz, saying he is "repulsed" by Republican front-runner Donald Trump.

    Mr Romney said in a Facebook post that the only way to nominate a Republican is to have an open convention, in which party officials choose the nominee. He campaigned with Governor John Kasich in Ohio but said voting for Mr Cruz is the only way to stop "Trumpism".

    He joins other Republican leaders coalescing around Mr Cruz. Mr Trump has won the most state contests and holds 678 delegates - 1,237 are needed to win the nomination. "Mitt Romney is a mixed up man who doesn't have a clue. No wonder he lost!" Mr Trump said on Twitter. However Republican leaders are concerned that his controversial comments about immigrants, women and Muslims would make him a weak candidate in the general election in November. Some also feel that the onetime Democrat cannot be trusted to implement conservative policies.

    "Today, there is a contest between Trumpism and Republicanism," Mr Romney said. "Through the calculated statements of its leader, Trumpism has become associated with racism, misogyny, bigotry, xenophobia, vulgarity and, most recently, threats and violence. I am repulsed by each and every one of these."


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  19. Cohete Rojo

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    Completely legal. Companies will take advantage of the laws, operating within the law to their advantage.

    If you make it legal to export factory jobs to low wage countries: companies will do it.
    If you make it legal for companies to hire foreign seasonal-workers: companies will do it.
    If you do not enforce the laws against hiring illegal immigrants and therefore create de facto laws that allow companies to hire illegal immigrants: companies will do it.

    Believe me, everyone else in the presidential nomination race has been voicing concerns about jobs, wages, inflation, etc, but the rest of them are slightly- to severely-misguided.

    The moment we all feared: the GOP's outrage against Donald Trump has nothing to do with inferred bigotry or violence or anything of that nature. It's all about the money. Since Trump refuses their money, they have no choice but to begin allying with Cruz.
     
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    this just proves that his rhetoric is just to get elected and that he is in fact much more moderate.
     

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