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Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. bnb

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    just a flesh wound.
     
  2. dc rock

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    If Bernie is really about "us" he can start a really powerful movement that helps fund like-minded candidates across the country and helps bring out voters in the mid terms. Remember when Dean was supposed to do that (DFA)? He never had this type of web following though (or gotv success). Maybe that will be a greater legacy.
     
  3. Bandwagoner

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    Clinton should be investigated for the murdering of Bernie. I DEMAND ANSWERS!

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  4. BleedRocketsRed

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    Dean's chances ended after the speech lmao.

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  5. Nook

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    Love you man... Appreciate the optimism.
     
  6. Nook

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    Agree on both points with one caveat. Some of the already pledged delegates (Bush/Rubio/Christie) are free to vote for who they choose and others are apportioned as if the withdrawn candidate was never in the race. There will be some serious promises and wheeling and dealing and I would not count out Trump to make very sweet deals to wrap up support from candidates like Rubio, Bush and possibly Kasich.
     
  7. Bandwagoner

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    Trump is going to make the BEST deals. Believe me.
     
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    Wait but I've been hearing how Sanders can win over working-class white males and how they will turn out to support him.
     
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    Without working class white BernieBros how many votes would Sanders be getting? He already got curb stomped WITH those dudes.
     
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    This is what I've been saying all along. Not just during the Sanders' campaign but earlier. Liberals have done a good job in recent years with presidential campaigns but haven't with midterm and local elections. The GOP have a built in Congressional and state house advantage because decades ago they realized that winning President wasn't enough. They had to win races like House seats and even state house seats that would give them an advantage in redistricting and state infrastructure to help with national campaigns. Even though Dems were able to retake Congress briefly without sustained voting it's not enough. Consider that Democrats got more Congressional votes in 2012 than Repubs but still couldn't retake the house. That is how big the GOP advantage is.

    If people really want a revolution it needs to also be down in local elections and not just when it's the Presidency.
     
  12. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm kind of surprised Clinton won Ohio. I thought after Michigan that Sanders had momentum in Ohio. It looks like Sanders might hang onto win Missouri though which I though would be safer ground for Clinton.
     
  13. Nook

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    Ohio doesn't have the economic issues that Michigan has. Couple that with more wealthy white middle aged voters in key suburbs and you have a Clinton win.

    Missouri I think may go Hillary's way based on the votes outstanding but certainly very close.
     
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    CNN just called IL for Clinton and with 99% reporting she has now taken a very narrow lead over Sanders in MO. This could be a sweep.
     
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    5/5 Clinton sweep.
     
  16. glynch

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    The liberals did not really do a good job as their cautious campaigns with no clear programs for the working class have led to fewer and fewer of the white working class continuing to vote for those corporate Dems (who you call liberals). Instead the corporate Dems tried to replace these voters by placating Wall Street enough to get a decent portion of the money which historically had gone overwhelmingly to the GOP

    This whole DLC tactic of winning elections by becoming GOP light lost the working class whites and the poor of all races,who were the basis of the Dem majorities that lasted for 30 years after FDR.
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    It is not like the Dems or anyone else were so stupid to not realize that you have to win Congress or governorships etc. White working class folks, who formed the base of the Democratic majorities going back to FDR, could not even say: think: "at least I have more civil rights as sort of a consolation prize for no economic progress." .

    If people really want a revolution it needs to also be down in local elections and not just when it's the Presidency.[/QUOTE]

    Well duh, but if people want a revolution there is a role for inspiration and for leaders and candidates at the national and local level who stand for more than cautious centrism, who give hope for significant change in the not so distant future. Winning the election with cautious Hillary types is not enough for significant change. She will only move if forced to do for she is a politician driven purely by focus groups who worries about support from the folks who fund her. Perhaps Sanders and his followers, if he can keep them motivated, can play the role that MLK played in pushing Johnson to pass the Civil Rights Bills.
     
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    Glynch, you'll probably moan and groan over the 2 or 3 Supreme Court appointments the future President Clinton will probably be making, as well as complain about the lifetime federal judges she'll nominate, regardless of who they are. I'll be applauding those appointments, knowing that they are not being made by Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, and that we are being spared a Thomas, a Scalia, an Alito. I call that significant change.
     
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    Start Fighting For Your Revolution !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    CNN now has pledged delegates at 1097-774.

    Just read a Reddit thing written a few months back saying Clinton would dominate early too March 15th and have a huge delegate lead but from then on Sanders would surge in the grassroot states steadily closing the gap until passing her on May 15th. Sanders holding ground and losing by less than a % in atleast two of those states when he was down 20% in an Ohio poll last week in a state that he was not counting on and splitting most of the delegates is not what Clinton needed
     
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    Bernie has to sweep the west coast and win Wisconsin. Which is a problem because of California. He's also gonna lose NY and probably Pennsylvania. He might be able to steal Connecticut and Rhode Island but it's doubtful.

    Bernie needs a miracle but I think Clinton will provide. She always chokes, just wait and see.
     

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