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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. mr. 13 in 33

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    <blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WATCH: <a href="https://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA">@SarahPalinUSA</a> decries &quot;petty punk&quot; protesters at <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump">@realDonaldTrump</a> rally. <a href="https://t.co/ojUXIyawvo">https://t.co/ojUXIyawvo</a></p>&mdash; ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/709453159903571968">March 14, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
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    They are bunch of punk ass thugs. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
     
  4. mr. 13 in 33

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rubio is weak on illegal immigration, with the worst voting record in the U.S. Senate in many years. He will never MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!</p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/709595310939643905">March 15, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kasich has helped decimate the coal and steel industries in Ohio. I will bring them back! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MakeAmericaGreatAgain?src=hash">#MakeAmericaGreatAgain</a></p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/709423812681531392">March 14, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Leaving the great people of North Carolina. Amazing event. Heading to Tampa now! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VoteTrump?src=hash">#VoteTrump</a></p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/709422865360297984">March 14, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I expect Trump to sweep Ohio and Florida. Once that's done the brokered convention will start to gain steam. Will love seeing Mitt Romney come back and try to convince the public that he's the true nominee lol.
     
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  7. A_3PO

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    If Trump somehow pulls out Ohio, the brokered convention movement will LOSE steam and the establishment probably gives up and start accepting him. Ohio would close the sale.

    If Kasich wins Ohio (as expected), the brokered convention idea is given a stay of execution.
     
  8. Baba Booey

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    That's a game over moment for the Trump opposition if this happens.

    Kasich was an 80% favorite to win Ohio according to 538 last night.
     
  9. mtbrays

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    Can't wait for the next episode of Hyperbolic History with cml750. I'm really hoping the twist isn't something lame like the Civil War and 1960s were all fever dreams induced by Professor Obummer's toxic mind serum because that would be formulaic and uninspired.
     
  10. JuanValdez

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    As a leader, a president will from time to time define our common values and set the direction for the country for how we will address the big questions of the age. In that regard, Obama has provided some leadership on race relations, though I think he's been rather circumspect because of the credibility problem he very reasonably expects to have as the first black president. He has 'jumped in' because it's his responsibility to jump in. Bush, by contrast, preferred to say nothing and do nothing about it and neglect his responsibility, most famously with the New Orleans disaster. Conservatives would prefer this approach, I'm sure. But Obama has not been radical. In general, the values he's been espousing have been for equality before the law and recognition that racism still exists in our country. It has been, imo, pretty tame and the 'divisiveness' is actually in the society and not the presidency. Here's a few moments I remember, with the help of Google:

    * A more perfect union speech: Reacting to the Jeremiah Wright guilt-by-association critique, Obama rejects the idea that the US is endemically, hopelessly racist but does acknowledge that blacks have reasons to feel victimized and whites have reason to feel like they've been unfairly criticized. Sounds pretty reasonable to me, and not terribly revolutionary.

    * Obama channels Bill Cosby and tells kids to pull up their pants: Around the same time, Obama says the ordinances against saggy pants are dumb, but encourages kids to show some respect and pull up their pants anyway. I see more cause for blacks to be upset with the comments than whites.

    * Beer summit: Obama criticized an officer for arresting Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. for "acting stupidly." I agree with criticism of Obama that he should not have weighed in here. It was early in his presidency and I think he learned something there about speaking freely. This might be an example of Obama's 'divisiveness.' I think the original encounter was an example of the historic mistrust we have between blacks and law enforcement that makes a lot of encounters go sideways when they shouldn't, and Obama made this one a little worse. But, he recognized the problem and de-escalated with a beer summit.

    * Shirley Sherrod: Breitbart published some edited video of the USDA Georgia Director saying some racist-looking stuff about not wanting to help white people. The White House pressured her to resign before knowing all the facts. She did, and later the story changed as it was revealed she was talking about overcoming feelings of racism, and the Obama Admin had egg all over its face. I think Obama overreacted, essentially, to criticism that they were advocating too much for black people, like in Gates' case. Here they could show they were evenhanded. In actuality, they didn't do their due diligence, and they put PR interests ahead of the interests of justice and it blew up in their faces. Maybe you could call it 'divisive' but Obama ended up on the white side of the divide even if accidentally.

    * Trayvon Martin: Probably the number one culprit to make white people think Obama is divisive. But, he was actually quite careful this time to not pass judgments on the case itself. He identified with how it makes black people feel to see a case like this. He promises a full investigation, which it did get. Political enemies read between the lines and inferred that Obama felt that Zimmerman must be guilty of something even though he won't say it aloud. So that makes him divisive in their eyes. But I suppose here is the problem -- I don't think Obama was divisive at all; I think society is divided on this, so his effort to lead the country toward unison was interpreted as taking sides and rejected as divisive instead. Conservatives now like to crow about how Zimmerman's actions were vindicated by the court decisions, but the court decisions really didn't change anything for people on the other side of this racial divide. I'm not even saying the court was wrong to acquit him, but the court could only address a narrow subset of the issues presented by the whole incident. Supporters of Zimmerman would like to pretend like the legal case is the whole case and that we can now forget all about it. They resent that minorities, liberals, and Obama himself won't take so narrow a view. Does that make Obama divisive? No, it means we still have a racial divide in the culture, Trayvon Martin hit upon a major faultline, and Obama was going to be on one side of the crack or the other.

    * Ferguson & Baltimore: I think you can think of these a bit like aftershocks of Trayvon Martin. Again, there's a legal case that will come up with definitive legal conclusions. In the case of Wilson there isn't as much gray area like there was for Zimmerman. Likewise for the officers in Gray's death in the other direction, though a mistrial has muddied the waters a bit. But again, there is so much more to the issue than the narrow legal case. Here there are issues of systemic problems of municipal powers that have combative relationships with the populations they are supposed to serve. Again, this is the divide in our society. This would be a good place for Obama to provide some leadership. But he has said little about it. He has discovered by now that the problem is much bigger than the president is.

    So what can we expect with the next president. Clinton will probably be more 'divisive' than Obama on this as this racial faultline will continue to be an issue and probably an escalating one. If it's Rubio (lol), he'll probably abdicate his responsibility on the subject altogether to appease his Party Masters, and catch a whole lot of flak especially from hispanics who will see him as a traitor for not advocating for racial equality. If its Cruz or Trump... I don't even want to think about it. Cruz may exacerbate the problem with a hard line on immigrants and moves in favor of propping up the powers of police. Trump, I don't even want to think about what's in store there. Is that just me taking a side? I don't think so. I see contention between an empowered group (generally mainstream America, including me and Obama) and a disempowered group (generally poor minorities), and I know in these uneven power relationships reconciliation is only possible if the stronger party will make positive steps in that direction. If mainstream America can do enough to reach out toward our minority communities, the suspicion and resentments will eventually lessen and we can get reciprocation at that point. Conservatives seem to demand first some concessions from hostile minority communities to first trust us, trust police, trust in the economic system, trust courts and municipalities, trust in the good intentions of mainstream America, and then maybe we can change once you're back in the fold. That's never going to work. I prefer things that work.

    He'll still be happy to take the 99 Florida delegates.
     
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  11. Bobbythegreat

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    No question. Trump is going to lose Ohio and if he lost Florida too that would just about seal the deal. Winning Florida will make it to where he still has an outside chance to lock up the election, but if Rubio drops out, it'll make most states a 2 person race between either Trump and Cruz or Trump and Kasich.

    Trump never wins a 2 person race no matter who he is against.
     
  12. SamFisher

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    In the eyes of lower class whites, who comprise the bulk of Trump voters, and whose sentiment you see in this thread - Obama is "divisive" not because of anything he did - but because he is not white.

    Jamelle Bouie did some great work on this earlier this week.
     
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    All I know is that I've heard repeatedly from white people that they think Obama has "empowered" the "rabble rousers" and all these black people to feel like they can tear stuff down without repercussion. I'm amazed at the "frustration of the white man" that is driving the Trump campaign.

    I hear it everyday literally and am baffled by it.

    No one has it worse in this country then white men. I hear it EVERY day and they L-O-V-E Trump.
     
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    That is an award-worthy article.

    Holy crap.
     
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    At this point, it's not what he says but rather what he represents

    He's already admitted that with his comments about him shooting people and not having his polls drop
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A lot of complaints from people saying my name is not on the ballot in various places in Florida? Hope this is false.</p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/709819253977915392">March 15, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
  18. B-Bob

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    Jesus H, it is calm, authoritative ... and kind of hopeless too. Great analysis of the whole enchilada though.
     
  19. Cohete Rojo

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    17% reporting in Florida - Trump leading with 45%.
     
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    Lord that is scary. People out there are thinking Trump is going to make this country great again by reverting us to a time where blacks and latinos stuck to their ghettos and weren't trying to get all uppity.

    Are people really ignorant enough to think that the destruction of the middle class is because whites are slowly becoming a minority rather than a bunch of rich caucasians who have led companies like Lehman, Enron, Bear Stearns, etc. into the ground and outsourced all of the blue collar jobs to China and India!??!

    God help us all.
     

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