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Donatas Motiejunas - X Factor

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DudeWah, Nov 23, 2014.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Exactly, you don't realize that playing Beasley at PF is going small....just more evidence that maybe basketball isn't your sport.

    I mean, laugh all you like, I've known idiots that laugh all the time. You were embarrassingly wrong when your narrative was to prop up Jones and you're still wrong now. Honestly if you had an intelligent, accurate basketball take, I'd be shocked at this point.
     
  2. TEXNIFICENT

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    All of this fuss over DMo? Wow. The guy has had multiple years and multiple coaches to lock down a lead role on this squad and has been unable to do so. The Rox need better players, better defense, better shooting and improved coaching to compete at a championship level. PERIOD. Taking shots at DMO ,who is who he is at this point, is just moot.
     
  3. haiti1804

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    Multiple coaches?? Mchale and Bickerstaff? They are one and the same,actually JB is a little worse
     
  4. DaDakota

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    It is going SMALLER though I can see a point about it being SMALL ball only.....I honestly don't give a rats ass what you consider to be small ball and what I consider to be....what a colossal waste of time.


    DD
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    C'mon putting someone only slightly heavier than Ariza with smaller measurables at PF isn't going small. That's just crazy talk. Beasley is probably the biggest SF playing PF in the NBA!!!!
     
  6. heypartner

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    It's not a colossal waste of time to agree to use consistent basketball terminology when discussing basketball. Otherwise, we don't know what each other are saying. You are using "Going Smaller" in what many consider an odd manner by relating it strictly to height of player.

    The point is that saying a team is going small refers to a different offense than the one currently on the court. It is not a measure of height. There are plenty of people who play a PF role who are shorter than DMo. Why not say using Smith is going smaller, too? I've never heard you say that. If you did, what point are you really making, since he's playing a PF role.

    Beasley is playing a PF role on the Rockets

    His is a face-up and midrange game (plus PnR). That game still affords the Rockets to essentially play their same offense as they do with DMo.

    So it strips the meaning from the phrase "going smaller" by using that whenever a player is merely smaller...since Josh, Jones and Harrell are also smaller. Rockets coaches, analyst, fans and media reserve "going smaller" for when the Rockets play their 5-3-3-2-1 offense or 5-3-2-1-1 offense, which feature three guys around the arc, to clear the lane for Harden/Howard to work it. Plus, we will go completely without a Center sometimes, like GSW.


    So, in Rockets terminology:


    Howard-Beasley-Ariza-Harden-Beverley
    is using the same offense as with DMo...thus, no one calls that "going smaller" as in "changing offenses."

    Now, Beasley could be in a small ball lineup, but that would be something like

    Capela-Beasley-Harden-Terry-Beverley, or Beasley-Ariza-Brewer-Harden-Bev

    bottomline: If you don't want to use Rockets offensive terminology, so be it. But it can become a waste of time is when we try to discuss basketball, if people aren't on the same page with Rockets offensive terminology.
     
  7. heypartner

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    It isn't going small, as I explained above to DaDakota.

    In football, you can look really silly when misusing terminology for Offensive and Defensive packages/plays. That's because football is so hugely popular, people learn the terminology for each team.

    Your use of "going smaller" for a Howard-Beasley-Ariza-Harden-Bev lineup is incorrect. This isn't semantics, because it is about understanding our different offensive sets, as defined by the team.
     
  8. larsv8

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    Why is the same posters continue to bait people into stupid arguments?
     
  9. oakdogg

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    Sometimes, a person earns more credibility when they admit they were wrong than when they make every last ditch effort to show they were right. heypartner clearly explained why BTG & others were wrong pages ago - not differing opinions - BTG wrong, hp right. Just save face & admit you were wrong, BTG. It's not the end of the world.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    Sure - that is going small.

    DD
     
  11. conundrum

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    Can we get a poll for this "small ball" debate? I really want someone to feel wrong and dumb!
     
  12. oogie boogie

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    This is highly skewed. So in his rookie season he was a PF/C? Since he played 48 percent of the time at center? I highly doubt anyone would consider rookie Beasley a center. After that Miami shied away from him playing center and had him play PF. Afterwards he was immediately cut, or waived, or whatever. Basically Miami was misusing him and he spent about ~4,300 minutes splitting time between power forward and center. That's roughly 2/3rds as much playing time he had in his next 6 seasons.

    In his next 4 seasons after his first 2 seasons he played in Minnesota, Phoenix and Miami. In those 4 seasons, which is about about ~5,800 minutes he played the small forward position 60 percent of the time.

    The 5th season was his last season with Miami and again had him play his majority of minutes at the power forward position, but this was a scheme as Miami was playing small ball now with Chris Bosh either playing center or being out for the season with his blood clot issue leaving Miami with less big bodies.

    Let me ask you something. Is Trevor Ariza now a SF/PF because he is playing 47 percent of his minutes at the power forward position? Or is that just circumstance because Houston has no power forwards?

    You see.. anyone can use statistics. That's the god awful part about advanced statistics.. ANYONE can use them. You want to know why that's bad? Because those people that are anyone, like yourself Mr. Clutch, use them without context. All they do is throw them out and say, "you see, this stat says this therefore it's true!!" which is completely false. These advanced statistics need context used in them or else they're useless and misinterpreted. Any fool can go on bball reference and say "oh hey look at this. I'm gonna use this as an argument without actually providing context." That's what you're doing here. Stop doing that. Provide context or don't use the stats.

    The irony. You're the clueless one, Mr. Clueless.
     
  13. Htownballer38

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    Plus 1 for using his own words against him. hahaha Just know he will have the last word and he thinks he's never wrong.
     
  14. Haymitch

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    So Beasley is a Point Forward?
     
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    u mean Point backward?
     
  16. D-rock

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    And if height is what determines a "big" then what is Kevin Love if Beasley is considered "small".

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  17. D-rock

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    Another angle:

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  18. Mr. Clutch

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    One year of Ariza playing 47% at PF vs a whole career of Beasley playing 33% at SF.

    Beasley is obviously a PF. Even when Minny started him at SF he ended up playing 40% at PF.

    Miami and Houston have used him almost exclusively at PF.

    He's a PF period.
     
  19. heypartner

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    Ariza is not playing our PF position.

    In our 5-3-3-2-1 offense...we are going without a PF. Ariza plays the 3 in our offense, whether one of our PFs in on the court or not. It's about filling roles. We have an offensive set that doesn't utilize the role of a 4. In contrast, Beasley does fill our 4 role, because he has the requisite offensive versatility that Ariza doesn't.

    So, "Let me ask you something" back: Do you think there is no such thing as an offense that doesn't field a PF?
     
  20. oakdogg

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    Magic Johnson never played point guard. Too tall. The Lakers just had 2 power forwards obviously. Magic was the second best point forward of all time - behind Anthony Mason of course.
     

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