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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    When he says that if anyone attacks someone who they think might throw tomatoes at him and that he will pay the legal fees for that person so not to worry about it, he's encouraging it. When he goes on and talks about how great it was when people who might disrupt his events they would end up being carried out in a stretcher, and how he would love that. When he talks about how much he would love to punch a protestor in the face.

    All of those incidents are Trump encouraging violence against protestors.
     
  2. Bandwagoner

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    Plenty of stories about trump. Doesn't change the fact the protesters are complete idiots. Look at the guy int he picture. He had nothing better to do that day. Wanting to be assaulted to make the news is lower than a sex tape. People like watching those.
     
  3. JayGoogle

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    ...

    "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell -- I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees."

    "I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell ya,"

    "You know what I hate? There’s a guy totally disruptive, throwing punches, we’re not allowed to punch back anymore. I love the ol’ days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks,"

    "maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing."
     
  4. Bandwagoner

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    because throwing objects at a presidential candidate or punching people in the audience isn't assault.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    Punching someone certainly is. Throwing a soft piece of fruit might not be. Or maybe it could be.
     
  6. JayGoogle

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    Maybe you are right, but the intelligence of the protesters is not my concern.

    I'm worried about the presidential candidate that encourages this stuff and doesn't seem to mind it more than them.

    Seriously, what other presidential candidate does this? On either side...
     
  7. JayGoogle

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    If only he were telling the truth, which we know he often isn't and he often exaggerates things.

    Besides, if there is a scuffle at HIS protest then he should let the security handle it. Instead he openly encourages his supporters to beat up on a guy and send him out in a stretcher...how is that acceptable?
     
  8. Bandwagoner

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    From your own quotes he didn't say that. Also he always lets police handle it. sometimes the crowd goes after them because they are crazy Trump supporters. Then they give these r****ds what they want. A beating and fame. Thus my original post, these protesters are idiots.
     
  9. Bandwagoner

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    Try it. Alison Ernst got a year probation and you won't have her p***y pass to help you.
     
  10. B-Bob

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    I don't think the protestors are looking for fame. What an odd concept.

    I know an increasing number of otherwise mild-mannered people, some of them older who don't normally protest anything, who are planning to protest at Trump events. They are not actually idiots. They want to peacefully object to hate speech in our country, and if they get beat up to better show America what's happening and to wake up, then they'll get beat up. That to me is a patriot. What these people (not to say all or other protestors at all) have in common is an understanding of history and political violence. It always starts small, and it always looks like it's just happening to idiots or people not like you.

    Sitting behind our computer screens and calling others names is the opposite of bravery or patriotism or really much of anything worth while. Cheers.
     
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    Thank you for sharing these. While he can say what he wants, when you match these comments to resulting actions and the way a group of people will then defend these comments and actions, we clearly have a problem in the country.
     
  12. JayGoogle

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    He did say that. Even if the guy attacked first (and I'm not trusting Trump's word on that) he then says that guys like that used to be carried out on a stretcher.

    Lets the police handle it?

    "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell -- I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees."

    That is the exact opposite of letting the police handle it.

    "See, in the good old days this didn’t use to happen, because they used to treat them very rough. We’ve become very weak."

    With stuff like this, he's challenging them. He's saying we're weak to accept that. This is something that is consistent with his message. From that to calling Putin and China strong.

    “He puts up his hand. He puts up the wrong finger. We’re supposed to take it nowadays.”

    That reminds me of some school fight. Where one guy talks about another and some instigator chimes in "You're going to take that man? You're a punk if you take that. I'd never let someone say that about me..." which is what he does.

    Maybe you don't see it, but it seems many people do and on both sides. He instigates and encourages.
     
  13. ipaman

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    I'm saying that he's saying we have a small stick that we can't wield and he wants a big stick that we can (but won't) yield. check history, that policy has been used before with success and failure. but more success than failure especially when compared to real conflicts.
     
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    So....it's been a while now, has there been any justification for Trump praising the Chinese government's decision to slaughter their own people at Tienanmen square as "strong leadership"?
     
  15. JayGoogle

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    The point about these people being patriots, I agree.

    If people are protesting against hate speech, against Trump then they have every right to. You may disagree with how they feel but it doesn't make them idiots. They are willing to put themselves in danger to prove their point and they are not breaking any rules to do so.

    I remember a while back some BLM protesters invaded a Bernie event. Got on the stage and screamed at him, tried to take over the mic and every thing. Everyone remained calm and the protesters end up looking like idiots. Bernie didn't attack them, he didn't call them names or call for his supporters to throw them out...and in the end it really just made the protesters look bad.
     
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    That's one mighty large 'small stick' of 10 Nimitz class carriers we are currently wielding.
     
  17. ipaman

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    it's abhornet, that old guy who did it should be ashamed of himself.

    dude that video was all propaganda. #1, trump didn't punch the guy, #2 not even trumps police/security punched the guy, #3, it was a random old dude, #4, trump praises the police who by that video looked like they handled it well, #5, the jump cuts are used to build a narrative that did not take place chronologically, i could go on. i don't like trump, i really don't. but i dislike hyperbole and propaganda even more and will fight it on any side.

    any thoughts on sneaking into an opposing rally for the sole purpose of disturbing a meeting/rally that has the right peaceably assemble and freedom of assembly? maybe they could have gotten permits to protest outside the building or near the area? any thoughts on their use of covert guerrilla disruption tactics?

    you could argue that folks like that more dangerous to america than trump. they are violating the constitution while trump has not. at least not yet :p
     
  18. ipaman

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    i won't speak for trump but perhaps their "parked" in the wrong waters?

    i put it to you this way. you know how cops will park a dummy(ghost) cars to get folks to drive safer? stats show it works i think that's what trump is saying in his own cheer-leading way.
     
  19. JeffB

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    Political noise and disruption is an Amercan tradition. Trump's behavior id anti-American and harkens back to our darker periods like the Gilded Age.

    It is so ironic that in all the propaganda riling up people to fear Obama, a New Democrat, and in all the ginning up of hatred and opposition. The GOP paved the road for a candidate who actually embodies all the things they were teaching people to fear except color and culture.

    Too late to have billionaire meetings to stop the train. Maybe too late for political machinations like brokered conventions to work. For the shot term success of the team, the. GOP will roll with him. And so will GOP supporters because team comes before country.

    The excuses made for Trump are not surprising. It is FoxNews logic 101. It is always the "other side's fault".
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You have a habit of just making things up.
     

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