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Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. BleedRocketsRed

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    Given the result, it's clear Bernie won the debate despite the blatant media bias.
     
  2. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    HO HO HO

    I must say, I have to give Bernie credit for being authentic. He passionately believes in his message and has been consistent his entire life. Whether or not you disagree with him, as I do, and despite lingering questions about how frequently he bathes, at least you have to respect that the man is genuine. And yes, he polls better than FBI Suspect Hillary Clinton in a general election matchup with the Republicans.

    Contrast that to FBI Suspect Hillary Clinton. She is what is wrong with politics today. Divisive, dishonest, says what people want to hear not what she believes, unethical, corrupt, completely lacking in transparency (actually working hard to thwart it), and driven by selfish ambitions. Furthermore, she is highly insecure. I believe this is insecurity is a psychological manifestation of a lack of male intimacy. There is a good chance that the woman has not had sexual relations with a man in over 20 years. Her marriage is a sham that is driven only by political expediency, and I believe even that is eroding now that Bill is considered a terrible rapist, at least by Bernie's brother Larry. FBI Suspect Hillary Clinton is just not a leader. She lacks energy and is visually unappealing.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    And even with all these problems, it seems likely that she will wipe the floor with whoever the GOP nominates.

    Sad, but true.

    HO, HO, HO.

    :rolleyes:
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    Very surprising and needed victory for Sanders. He put a lot into Michigan and outspent Clinton there. He also made inroads into the African-American vote that he needed.

    The math still doesn't favor him as even with winning MI Clinton got about as many delegates from that state and picked up more in MS. This will be a big momentum boost heading into Super Tuesday II next week but to win the race narrow victories won't cut it.
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    One thing to note while this may be have been bad for Clinton this might be far more of a problem for Nate Silver. On FiveThirtyEight he had given Clinton 99% chance of winning MI.
     
  6. Jugdish

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    Fortunately, he didn't give her a 100% chance.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    He runs a poll of polls - all the polls on record were way off, in addiiton the state has been only loosely polled in the past for primary voting.
     
  8. CCorn

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    I've never voted D, and I'd probably vote for him. I don't believe most of his ideas would ever pass, but at least he seems like a decent human being... Unlike the rest of the field.
     
  9. bnb

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    So you're saying the primary was won by the 1%??

    Silver's been pretty vocal about the unreliability of primary polls, and they certainly wiffed on this one.

    Interestingly, he also tracks a demographic based target of what each need to win to secure the nomination

    By that measure he targeted 67 delegates for Bernie Michigan. He won 69. So even after the big win, and it was a big win, he fell 20 delegates further behind and 4 behind Nate's demographic win targets with Miss and Mich.

    It makes the 15th interesting. Bernie needs a big win. He needs to do even better than he did in Michigan. Maybe he can?
     
  10. Nook

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    Now you are seeing why it is so hard for Sanders to win the nomination, it is like a boat with multiple holes in it. Plug one hole and there are ten others that are filling up the hull.

    Sanders did very well in Michigan, which was a surprise, but he did equally as bad in Mississippi and has actually fallen farther behind in the delegate count. When he wins, he wins close contests, and when he loses, it typically is large which does not help the delegate situation.

    However, the Sanders crowd has to hope that the polls in the Midwest, put too much emphasis on polling black voters in the South and that it does not translate in state like Florida and Ohio. We will know soon.

    Right now there are many theories floating around, from the difference in black voters in urban areas compared to the south (there was limiting polling data on black voters outside of the south since February) to the idea that the situation in Michigan is so bad, that democrat voters and Independents flocked to the most extreme candidates, and that will not carry over to areas where the economy is better.

    It is interesting, and makes a boring Primary more interesting. A win in Ohio by Sanders would make a lot of people that follow this for a living very intrigued. A loss by Sanders and the Michigan result will be written off as a fluke. After all, the last time there was this big of an "upset" at a Primary was 32 years ago, and there have been hundreds of state primaries since then.
     
  11. ipaman

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    LOL!!!, c'mon no one cares about nate silver and his poll of polls. he's not running for president. hilary is choking again.

    speaking of hilary, is there anyone so unlikable as hilary clinton??? lying POS politician, terrible first lady, bad wife, etc... the rodham brothers, her family, are scum. Her foundation is shady AF, no transparency and was even investigated by the state dept. can't be rated by charity watchdogs because of the purposeful structure. Whitewater, Travelgate, Humagate, renting out Lincoln bedroom for raising campaign money, benghazi, Lewinsky, Billy's impeachment, Filegate, Emailgate, Pardongate, Hubble Chelsea's real dad, etc... Scandal after scandal after scandal. I mean this Clinton family are nothing but scum and trouble. Who in their right mind wants more of this ****.
     
  12. Bandwagoner

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    So outside of the BernieBro spin Clinton cleaned house with a 87 to 69 victory right? She was already ahead and now she is further ahead.
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    He also judges the polls he uses and assigns weights to them based on what he considers their credibility. So, if you mean to excuse him for being wrong, please don't. He owns his prediction, and he was wrong. Doesn't really matter why; he certainly got all the credit in 2012 when he was right.
     
  14. pirc1

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    Garbage in garbage out, does not matter if he weighs the polls if they are all garbage, I believe general election will have much better poll data, so his predictions will be much more accurate.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Each of the polls, IIRC had Clinton up by margin of 5 to 30 - show me the Bayesian formula that turns that into "Sanders 1".

    When you get crap data, your predictions are going to turn out to be crap - this is true if you're Nate Silver or some random interweb dumbass.
     
  16. Bandwagoner

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    Sanders says that "when you're white ... you don't know what it's like to be poor." On the contrary -- the most recent figures show that nearly 20 million white Americans are experiencing poverty. While that’s smaller as a percentage than it is for other racial and ethnic groups, that’s still a lot of people. In raw numbers, it’s actually more than any other group. We rate his claim False.

    Duh.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-sanders-wrong-say-when-youre-white-you-dont/
     
  17. BleedRocketsRed

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    Senator Sanders is DESTROYING her right now wow.
     
  18. Hakeemtheking

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    Sanders' numbers in Florida ought to improve after this debate.
     
  19. Hakeemtheking

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    G*d damn Clinton News Networks moderators barely give enough time for Sanders to respond. Often, the poor guy gets cut off within 30 seconds. Ridiculous.

    Still, Sanders is killing Clinton here. Easy, authenticity and honesty win all the time.
     
  20. IronTexan93

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    Well damn, that clip of Sanders in the 80s is probably going to wipe away all the momentum he got in tonight's debate :/
     

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