Bob McNair: We’re working on getting a quarterback

And then got benched for a 40 year old.

Can we just be honest and well-rounded in our assessment of these guys? Neither Brock or the RG3 are a perfect fit. They'll be taking a chance with both QBs. You might have your preference but be honest with your assessment.

 

Yes, a year after he sat on undrafted/unproven Arian Foster for a near entire season, a 9-7 season in which the team twice failed to convert 1st and goal situations in eventual losses by 7, or less.

 

Exactly, People clammering for Robert Jr Jr over Brock are dilusionally thinking that he's actually better. RJJ is cheaper but by no means better.

 

Did you enjoyed making the playoffs in the fetal position?

 

It's actually not *that* much money. At $15MM, Osweiler would rank 20th among QBs, just ahead of Nick Foles ($12.3MM). Kirk Cousins will make at least $19.9MM; Tannenhill $19.3MM; Kaep $19MM; Cutler $18.1MM; Bradford $17.5MM...

And, frankly. I'm not sure I'd deal Osweiler/$15MM for any of those guys.

What's encouraging to me is that - assuming he really wants out of Denver - he might sign here on a cheaper/shorter deal - prove it and so he can really cash in.

He's 25 and the guy who just built a Super Bowl champion thought he was worthy of a second round pick. When you have a team that, QB aside, is probably good enough to compete for the playoffs... I mean, they need a QB. How do suppose they get one: leave it to chance (ie the draft)?

This is an opportunity to secure, with certainty, a young QB that, at least experience-wise, will be light years better than any rookie QB - especially whatever rookie QB might be available at 22.

There's risk but... I mean, what's the alternative? Brian Hoyer?

 

Lol the nfl has film on Brock now just like they studied RG3 granted the concern with him is moreso injuries. Brock better is a stretch really. Brock still has lots to prove. A couple of random games doesn't compare to one consistent season of great quarterbacking.

 

That's going to cost you - a lot. And it doesn't guarantee you a QB. The Browns are almost certainly going QB #2 but both Tennessee (1) and San Diego (3) have, reportedly, told teams they'll listen to deals.

People think $15MM is a lot... would you rather spend $15MM on Osweiler and surround him with first, second and/or third round talent this year and next? Or dump some or all of those picks for a QB that is every bit the risk Osweiler is, minus the four years of working under arguably the greatest QB in NFL history and minus the additional rookie personnel?

 

Texans should do a 20mil yr/15mil yr/15mil yr. 35 guaranteed total

After first year with opt out available.

 

Brock would still be a risk... as would trading for Jimmy G.

But, they have to make an effort... with Brock, you keep all your picks but he'll still command a larger figure. With Jimmy G, you get somebody more familiar with the system (and somebody we know BOB liked, and somebody Belichick deemed worthy of a 2nd round pick)... and if you're truly sold on him, you may coerce him into signing an earlier/cheaper extension.

They've both understudied behind GOAT QB's, and they've both been on SB winning teams. Brock has actually had some in-game experience... although its wasn't all good performances, despite what many here say. Jimmy G. hasn't had a chance to get hit/show something... which could be both a good and a bad thing (I do believe once NFL QB's start to take hits... they either adjust and grow from it, or they start to regress from their sometimes great starts).

I do think either option is better than taking a flyer on previously damaged/previous locker-room cancer RG3. They could still do that, but I wouldn't consider it a primary option (more like if plans A-F fail, or you're just bringing him in to be the backup anyways).

 

I already know the narrative.

Texans don't trade up into the top 10, one of those guys has a good year next year, Texans get killed for not trading up.

Fans will ignore the fact that the 9-7 season we had just made it incredibly cost prohibitive to move up. If we are at 13 or something in this draft, we could move up and go get someone. From where we are now? No chance.

 

See my posts on this page:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=271787&page=31

The idea that Osweiler's performance was poor in the game he was "benched" is silly. If you want to bring "benched for a 40-year-old" into the discussion, let's talk about the specifics of how and why it actually happened -- not in vague one-liners.

If you want to be honest and well-rounded, here's the reality: Osweiler is going to get paid significantly more money than RG3 because the market sees much more potential in him as a football player. They are both "taking a chance", as is the case with all QBs but about 10. But the people who study
this game for a living clearly believe that Osweiler is the better bet. That doesn't mean they're perfect, and they do make mistakes -- but to try and lump them under one umbrella is a bit silly.

 

Wonder if the Pats would take a 3rd rounder for Jimmy G. If they would, I think that would be our best option. Use the Brock money to resign Brooks and go after Malik Jackson and/or Lamar Miller (think we may have enough to make competitive offers to both but not sure).

Use our 1st and 2nd rounders on the best available players. Getting a good OL and WR early in the draft would be nice.

 

Huh? You could use the "NFL has film on him now" argument against literally any young prospect in football. They all have to make adjustments. That's common sense.

Brock has lots to prove, yes. However, he was an average to slightly-above-average quarterback a year ago, whereas Griffin has been absolutely awful from 2013 onward. That's an important distinction, and the value of these two players on the market (not just from the Texans) reflects that.

If you want to say that Osweiler is far from a known/finished product, that's completely fair. What's not reasonable is this "he doesn't have 'it'" line, because honestly, Osweiler played about as well as could reasonably be expected in his trial run last season. His performance in Denver's bigger games was fairly encouraging, I thought.

That said, is Osweiler still unproven? For the most part, yes. Just as a highly-drafted rookie would be. The bottom line is that the Texans are most likely going to have to take that sort of gamble, no matter what, because good "proven" QBs rarely switch teams. If the Texans sign Brock, you just have to hope that O'Brien sees the right things and can develop him -- just as you would with these rookies (the most reasonable alternative).

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Schefter said on SportsCenter he expects Brock Osweiler's decision to come down to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash">#Broncos</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a>. &quot;A battle between those two teams.&quot;</p>&mdash; Evan Silva (@evansilva) <a href="https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/707222791779651584">March 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Are you high? He was drafted in the 2nd Round and has proven himself to be a steal.

 

Then the narrative will change to how the Texans are a loser organization because they refused to lose games on purpose last year in order to move up in the draft.

 

Screw it. I've talked myself into Osweiler. Hope we get him and see what happens.

 

Free as in no trade necessary since he was just released. The Skins were waiting for someone dumb enough to try to trade for him or forfeit a draft pick by tampering. No risk as in they will still be able to draft a QB in the draft or look for in FA. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. You didn't give up anything for him and basically gave him a tryout. Is Griffin truly for a big payday with recent events? I'm just saying it's worth a try IF they can't get it done with Osweiler.

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Schefter said on SportsCenter he expects Brock Osweiler's decision to come down to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash">#Broncos</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a>. &quot;A battle between those two teams.&quot;</p>&mdash; Evan Silva (@evansilva) <a href="https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/707222791779651584">March 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I hope they get Osweiler because he probably represents the only chance to take a step forward NEXT year, but I also hope that they take the Seahawks approach and still draft a guy this year.

If a guy they like is there in the 1st, take him. If not, take a guy in the 2nd.