Zach Lowe: Terrence Jones could be asking for $15M per year

No that's not accurate. I have NEVER cheered against Terrence. N-E-V-E-R.

This is where you take words and stretch them to fit your opinion. But it doesn't make it true just because your mind has twisted it into your own private fictitious reality.

All I have said is Terrence is not the answer for us at the 4 and I maintained starting around December 1, 2013, that we should trade him ASAP while he still had trade value. When Terrence had a good string of box scores, instead of just looking at numbers on a stat column, I explained to you why he wasn't the answer. He wasn't then. And he isn't now. But I sure hoped I was wrong. I would have loved to have been wrong about Terrence while he was in a Rockets uni. Because if I had been wrong it would have meant my team was having blooming success with Terrence knocking people around at the 4.

I have never cheered against any Rockets player. That is a ludicrous statement.

 

This thread is classic. So many posters were so incredibly wrong about Jones. A number suggested he could earn max money, including malakas of course.

If Lowe came out now and said "Jones could demand $8 million/year" the discussion would be exactly as it was with double the amount.

 

Terence Jones probably should have been gone if the Rockets had a chance to trade him for Markieff Morris during the beginning of the season, but some one might have overrated Jones talent in the Rockets organization, and now it has possibly came back to bite the team at the moment.

 

Yep. If every player hangs around 3pt and wait for kickouts, if it's not their strength, why do it? I never see high low action with the Rockets.

 

Well said Lee and great observation.

 

He will be lucky if he can get 5 million a year. I never seen a player play this horrible in a contract year.

 

This idea of Jones getting big money was hilarious when this thread first started. Now it's just straight up sad.

 

He's sucking on purpose so he can sign a cheap contract with a contender and win a 'ship on the bench.

 

You didn't watch Ty Lawson this season?

 

Regardless of what he's paid next year on another team, TJ will have a better career than many expect. He has had an AWFUL year, and I don't believe anyone would dispute that. However, he is definitely not on the same career trajectory of guys like Nikoloz Tskitishvili,Keith Closs, Mark Madsen/Luke Walton, or heck, the 10+ year vet, Kwame Brown. I reference these guys because some posts truly imply that TJ is as horrible, if not worse, than the never-ending list of abysmal players. I don't think that he'll be an all-star, but I certainly don't believe that his career is over. Not even close.

We've seen TJ get double-doubles without problems. This year was a wash. If you consider his injury or injuries, which some would consider significant, the inconsistency of minutes (different styles of coaching/rotations between JB/KM) and TJ's youth, in relation to maturity and perseverance, his overall regression is more understandable.

I'm not necessarily sympathetic towards TJ, but I understand the many variables that go hand-in-hand with his downward spiral. As a Rockets fan, I find it more sad than anything.

There is light at the end of the tunnel for TJ, but it won't happen for him in a Rockets jersey.

 

It was plain as day Jones was not a basketball player after LA tore him a new one a few years back. When me, holic, and bobby kept saying this and stated a million reasons y,all anyone would say was he has versatility(dobro), or could fetch us a first(malakas), or we are rooting against jones( daywalker and alot of others), when in reality all we wanted was whats best for our team.

All anyone in this forum wants is to see is a trophy lifted, and we spam our opinions here trying to figure out ways that can be done, so instead of questioning someone of his fanship, try to add to the board by having an opinion instead of just questioning every negative comment like this rocket team doesent deserve it ( which they do in spades).
You are the Jb of this board with ur unwarranted positive outlooks, even though there is a million things that can be changed to make this team better, starting with JB himself

 

How much do you want to bet he will never average a double double in his entire career?
He will never make an allastar team, he will never bee a key contributor on a winning team....he will never average more than 14 PPG or 8 reb ppg , which is what Dmo averaged last year, hes just a normal below average player with no basketball iq, no physical advnatages and no basketball shot, iam sorry codman i know your loyal but your blinded in this situation

 

TJ will get the max...he is just foxing until the playoffs.

 

I can't see why somebody who actually pays attention would think that.

Granted his explosion has looked terrible this year, and that may improve, but all of his other problems have remained steady. His basketball IQ and overall awareness are terrible, and he has shown zero improvement. He loses his man defensively, misses rotations, rarely boxes out. He's a defensive trainwreck. At his best he's a decent offensive player, but even on that end his awareness is lacking. To top all of that off his effort level is very inconsistent.

4 years in and he has shown no ability to grasp NBA concepts, I see no reason to think he's gonna start. He may put up some decent stats on a bad team, but that's it.

 

Look. TJ was a solid rotation player up until this season for the most part. However there was evidence that meltdown performances were at risk of happening especially in bigger games where he would look lost. I realized that then, and realize it now. That was never the point.

The facts at the time don't change based on events occurring now in the future. The Rockets needed TJ this year (and many other players that didn't show up like Lawson, and Brewer early in the season), and he disappointed majorly. TJ is just another disappointment in a season filled with them.

The only major philosophical difference in the TJ argument that I had vs others here on the board is that he was so bad that he needed to be traded, waived, or whatever needed to happen to get him off the team. Statistically I should have had more backing that unless there was a true upgrade available, we should keep TJ because I didn't think his value on the market would have supported enough assets to outweigh the loss of his production in his role. However with this crowd here you are either a TOH or TOF. You even begin to try and use logic and reason, and your immediately labeled, and mocked. Heaven forbid I explain something rather than just saying Jones Sucks... trade him.... Morey sucks.... FIRE HIM, Le$ is cheap... sell the team!!

Of course, if I would have known how bad he would be this season, and how bad the Rockets would be this season, I would have agreed that we should try to get a 2nd rounder or whatever for him. However if I also had a crystal ball (like apparently BBHollic has) I also wouldn't have traded for Ty Lawson, or resigned Corey Brewer. I also probably would have traded Dwight Howard this past Summer, and certainly would have replaced the coach at any cost to a better defensive coach.

 

At his current rate he won't even get to see the court come playoff time.

 

Please read what I posted. I don't need to bet anything. This is not a war, and I don't know why you bring DMo into it automatically. I was discussing TJ, but like many, you quickly resort to a DMo comparison.

I never said TJ would be an all-star. I never said he would average a double double. I said he would have a better career than many expect. It's simple.

I'm not blind. If anything, I'm looking at this more objectively than you with all of this, "...no basetkball IQ, no physical advantages and no basketball shot..." That's pretty close-minded. TJ has had an awful SEASON, but he is not AWFUL.

 

I feel you, and i didnt intend to make it look as if you were a tjones fan only if thats what you got out my post, because i do remember many instances where you said Dmo being injured was huge and we needed him over tjones.And in general you are a great poster and contributor to this board and i respect and read your opinions always.

But your point that your making is what iam trying to get across, even with facts , its always hes vs harden , or vs jones.....its not like that at all.Everyones opinion here is their thoughts on how the rockets would be better off, and while some of those opinions suck we have to respect it as an opinion.

My main problem with the jones supporters at the time was that there was nothing positive said about his game, and what hes been improving on, instead it was just general observations like hes"versatile" or ppl just showing stats, which says NOthing 80% of the time.

 

And therein lies the issue. Even now, after all the dust has settled, you still think you had logic and reason on your side.

If that's the case, what about about the posters who foresaw Jones' collapse? Was that simply blind luck?