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2016 NFL Combine

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Feb 24, 2016.

  1. Nimo

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    http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Kevin-Hogan-is-primed-for-pro-style-offenses-6857381.php

    Highlights:
    That said, Arians and other NFL evaluators at the combine can feel fairly confident about this: Stanford’s Kevin Hogan has a first-round brain.

    After spending his four-year, 46-start career in Stanford’s pro-style offense, Hogan is viewed as one of the Rhodes Scholars of this year’s quarterback draft class. Unlike other prospects from shotgun-only spread attacks that populate the college ranks, Hogan has been operating under center in a system that directly translates to the next level since 2012.

    NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock views Hogan as the most NFL-ready of the quarterbacks who will be selected after the first round.

    Among the perceived shortcomings that figure to make him a mid-round pick, at best: average arm strength and a funky, too-long delivery.

    “I’ve called plays in the huddle,” he said. “I’ve had to manage tons of different looks at the line — not checking to the sideline to see what the adjustment should be.”
     
  2. zeeshan2

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1. Carson Wentz won the week. Aced his interviews. Aced his workouts. Multiple teams told me the Andrew Luck comparisons not that far off.</p>&mdash; Peter Schrager (@PSchrags) <a href="https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/704340714696675329">February 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  3. Ottomaton

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    "David Carr deep accuracy" actually turns up several scouting reports praising his deep accuracy, but I understand your point.

    It is difficult for me to comment on Carr since I didn't watch a single second of his time at Fresno St. The only think I would say is, because you got something wrong once doesn't mean you should ignore it going forward. Tom Brady was a tubby, slow backup QB. His success doesn't mean we should be looking to draft all tubby, slow backup QB's in the first round. You have to evaluate everybody on their own merits as best as you can.

    Regarding Goff, regardless of the system, he doesn't throw the number of screens and swings typical of the spread - he throws downfield, and he quickly runs through full field progressions, which I haven't seen once from Prescott or Lynch. Reading the whole field is something that he has down pat, that you are going to have to teach the other two, who mostly seem to make a single read.

    My big issue was the idea of taking Prescott at 22. I'd love him at any point in the second round - there is a ton of stuff to love about him. If you really want him badly enough to pay a premium, trade out of 22 into the top of the second. For all I know he might have a better career than Goff, but I think there is a little bit more of a delay before you put him out on the field with the full playbook.
     
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  4. Ottomaton

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    BTW, Kevin Hogan has a big hitch in his throwing that gives him a big, slow windup making him really slow to let go of the ball. I don't know much about feet, but I keep hearing about his horrible footwork, too. He may have the mental stuff down, but there are some big physical problems that a guy in a program with pro-level coaching shouldn't have. David Shaw was an NFL QB coach, I'd think if those things were amenable to correction, Shaw would have fixed them.
     
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    Think you meant Hogan's offense was more pro-ready. Goff played in a spread air-raid offense while Stanford plays pro-style.
     
  6. Nimo

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    His throwing motion didn't keep him from producing and he says he has been working on his footwork to reduce his release time. Plus peep this from the article I previously posted:

    "Hogan has been training in Westlake Village (Ventura County) at Proactive Sports, with John Ramsdell serving as his quarterbacks coach.

    Ramsdell’s 19-year NFL coaching career included a seven-season stint (2006-12) in San Diego, where he tutored Philip Rivers, another quarterback with an unorthodox throwing motion. Rivers’ delivery hasn’t prevented him from earning five Pro Bowl berths and throwing for 41,447 yards in his 12-year career.

    Hogan said he’s not tweaking his throwing motion, but is focusing on footwork that will quicken his release."



    Correct. I mis-typed that. Hogan's offense is a positive but he also had a lot more weapons at his disposal and arguably the best RB in the league. He didn't have to throw it as much as Goff did.
     
  7. Ottomaton

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    DB's today are a hell of a lot more impressive than the WR's. Texans should look as safety depth in the mid rounds.
     
  8. Nimo

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    William Jackson III ran a 4.3
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who has the most velocity at QB? On the radar gun:<br><br>Paxton Lynch - 59 mph<br>Jared Goff - 58 mph<br>Carson Wentz - 57 mph<br><br>(h/t <a href="https://twitter.com/Ourlads_Shonka">@Ourlads_Shonka</a>)</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/705153132704038912">March 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lowest velocity of 2016 Combine quarterbacks? Connor Cook, at 50 mph</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/705153242863423490">March 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Number of times I've heard radar gun readings mentioned in the draft room: 0 <a href="https://t.co/sgDlSD4oY3">https://t.co/sgDlSD4oY3</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/705208016530853888">March 3, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/19-important-takeaways-from-the-nfl-combine-030216
     
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    Jayron kearse
     
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    Kearse and his teammate TJ Green both look really good in the measurable department. A 6'5" safety to man up on TE's is definitely a tempting idea.

    My favorite guy on the field at this point for the mid rounds is Justin Simmons of BC.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Wzk53iaoNUw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Great tackler for a FS, and good instincts to boot. Plays solid center field, but used to be a CB and can man up when you need it. Not quite as tall as Kearse, but a solid 6'2". His only problem is he's built like Kevin Johnson, but he was really solid at the combine in the "explosiveness" metrics.

    The Richard Sherman effect is in full display. There were a ton of CB's and safeties at the combine who were 6'1 - 6'3 and very athletic.
     
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    Agree about TJ Green
     
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    So he's saying arm strength is never discussed in a draft room?
     
  14. Mr. Clutch

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    How do they come up with those anyway? Are they the average of all the throws or Max speed?

    Lynch, Cook and Prescott provide some interesting contrasts for the Texans to pick from
     
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    Zierlein:

    Part of his to-be-released mock draft

    1. Titans: Laremy Tunsil
    2. Browns: Carson Wentz
    4. Cowboys: DeForest Buckner
    5. Jaguars: Myles Jack
    7. 49ers: Jared Goff
    9. Bucs: Joey Bosa(average combine, below average if you include interview(s))
    12. Saints: Kevin Dodd
    14. Raiders: Eli Apple
    15. Rams: LaQuon Treadwell
    16. Lions: Ezekiel Elliott
    18. Colts: Leonard Floyd
    19. Bills: Robert Nkemdiche
    21. Washington: Chris Jones
    22. Texans: Paxton Lynch
    29. Cardinals: William Jackson III

    Hackenberg:
    No one believes he's first round material; He'll be there in the 2nd round
    NFL comparisons:
    Ryan Mallett(character is night and day though)
    Zach Mettenberger
    Drew Henson(told not a good comp)

    100% certainty Texans take a TE in the first 4 rounds; C.J. Fiesleepowicz, he's been a bag of farts since he's been with the team

    Sterling Shepard - might have to go 2nd rd; If the plan for Hack is in the 2nd, no Shepard in the 3rd.
    Looking to address QB, TE & speed on offense
    Of the 7 picks(assuming they have them all), 4 offense, 1 return guy. Mumphery was a miss.
    Lynch is a project; Will have to wait a year
     
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    Not really sure...but my guess is max speed.
     
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    Heard a good report on Jerell Adams from South Carolina. It said the film showed the ability to get free from coverage, blew it up at the combine, Rated 4th or 5th round.
     
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    Derrick Henry time! Lets wait for a QB
     
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    Big board between Mcshay, Kiper, Matt Miller, and others:

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