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Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. Scolalist

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    Wont be after Sanders wins the 3 states this weekend if the polls are accurate
     
  2. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Last I saw Clinton was favored at 99% to win those states. What polls are you looking at?
     
  3. Scolalist

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    Do you really believe 99% gtfo
     
  4. glynch

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    lol Brent Budowski a horrible radical and Lloyd Bentsen's ex staffer thinks Bernie is more in the mainstream of America's thinking than the same ol conservatism of the GOP or the conservativism lite as I would call the fading ideology of the Democratic Leadership Caucus of the Clintons.

    He explains why Bernie polls again as stronger in the general election than Hilary. Comments on how Bernie is winning the battle of ideas and that is why Hillary must keep adapting more of his ideas.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...nders-outperforms-clinton-against-republicans
     
  5. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Well I support Bernie and hope he can pull it out but I also live in reality.
     
  6. Dubious

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  7. rocketsjudoka

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    I do like how Sanders supporters were up in arms about Super Delegates a month ago but now are discounting them.

    I said then that there was no reason to work up about them because if Sanders won the primaries decisively many would switch. That said he does need to win decisively. The Super Delegates will come into play if it's a brokered convention and then they will likely stick with Clinton.
     
  8. jo mama

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    the reality is that polls keep showing sanders doing better against all the republican candidates than clinton. this definitely goes against the narrative that is being thrown out there by the establishment, but if democrats are serious about winning they should support sanders. clinton has way too many negatives and there are plenty of people out there like myself, who would never give her my vote.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    There isn't a need to worry about them except when polls and status reports by the media include them in their numbers.

    That changes the future in a way. People who might come out and vote for Sanders because he has a chance to win, would keep hearing that he's as good as done, and so they don't bother.

    The media can alter the turnout and participation.
     
  10. rocketsjudoka

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    That is a good point but is one reason why people should be more educated about how the primary system works.

    Sanders has always portrayed himself as the outsider and much of his support is because he is the outsider. You can't expect the establishment as represented by the Super Delegates to then support him. That is why I always felt the Super Delegates weren't an issue.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    I would take those polls with a note of caution. Sanders still hasn't registered much on the GOP consciousness and it is pretty obvious from their rhetoric that they have been focused on Clinton since day one. Clinton is a known quantity that the Republicans have hated since 1991. If Sanders wins or even pulls even with Clinton that will change.

    As I said in the Trump thread noone should think that it is a guaranteed Dem victory in the general whether Clinton or Sanders.

    As for if you will never vote for Clinton that's your prerogative you are entitled to it but if this is a close election, and I think it will be, you have to decide if you're willing to see the alternative, Trump, get elected.

    I'm obviously not a Sanders supporter but I will campaign for him and donate money to him over Trump.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    I'm with you that people should be more educated about how the system works. I think that plenty of Sanders supporters educated themselves on how it works and that's why there's been a change in their tune.

    I think Sanders should also put out there how the system and Super Delegates work to help his cause, and provide some of the education.
     
  13. Nook

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    Huh?

    Kansas (33)/Nebraska(25)/Louisiana(51)/Maine(25)

    Louisiana is worth basically two of the other states.

    Clinton has a huge lead in Louisiana, she is winning Louisiana.

    Even if Sanders wins Maine, Kansas and Maine, you are looking at split delegates..... with the largest state yielding the largest split.

    Which means most likely...... Clinton will actually GAIN a larger delegate lead, or at worst lose 5-10 delegates.

    Then comes...

    Michigan (130), Mississippi (36), Florida (214), Illinois (156), Missouri (71), North Carolina (107), Ohio (143)

    Clinton has a 25 point lead in Michigan, 50 points in Mississippi, 25 points in Florida, 25 points in Illinois, 15 points in North Carolina and 13 points in Ohio.

    I don't mind optimism, but there isn't really a basis for it unless something major changes.
     
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    Fixed this minor detail, but your post is spot on.
     
  15. Nook

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    Some of the ideas/beliefs on here are reality.

    Polls are cherry picked, etc.

    Sanders isn't ahead of Clinton in National polls, indeed he is behind by double digits in a vast majority of polls. Even when the polls are combined, Sanders is behind 10-15%; which is a fairly large amount.

    I have no issue with optimism, but there seems to be some that parrot the same inaccurate information... "200 delegates isn't a big lead", "Sanders is about to turn the tide in the next few states, all his good states are coming up", "Sanders is ahead of Clinton in national polls".
     
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    If you have 8 hours to spare, watch this. Unless you are a billionaire, wall street mogul, this man really cares about you!!! If you have a heart, (letters from folks who can't heat their homes, etc...) this video may actually make you cry. Then when you compose yourself, you'll be angry!!! It's a shame he can't win. This video should be mandatory in government class.

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  17. Cohete Rojo

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    Sanders is so weak. Democratic turnout is way below Republican turnout, during these primaries and caucuses. Sanders' is also a terrible negotiator, which is exactly what the US does not need. He should suspend his campaign to allow Clinton's campaign to focus on Trump/Cruz.
     
  18. pirc1

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    I am sure Sanders care and is a good person, that does not mean he will be a good president. What would you expect he could accomplish that Clinton cannot once they are in the white house? free college for all? Universal health care? Umm don't think so.

    Best case is more pell grant and maybe some improvement to Obama care, which Hillary can do just as well if not better.
     
  19. ipaman

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    If you're suggesting at best they accomplish the same things then give me new blood (tired of Bush/Clinton) and someone who's not currently being investigated by the FBI.
     
  20. Nook

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    Bernie Sanders is a wonderful person, but it doesn't mean he would be a good or effective President.
     

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