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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    His healthcare ideas are pretty much the old plan. It won't control prices. Healthcare does not follow normal economic models. First of all it is highly regulated. Also when you are facing death the supply demand curve starts break down.
     
  2. Bandwagoner

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    Has to be Carson at this point.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    There are more differences. The first is that Wright exhibited prejudice against Jewish folks for sure. But he wasn't really shown to be a racist. Secondly the comments that people got upset about weren't normal in Wright's sermons, weren't normal for the church, and in the whole of the sermon they came from weren't really offensive. It was a ploy and misrepresentation.

    As for Trump, I have no idea whether he's a racist or not. Him denouncing David Duke or not denouncing David Duke doesn't matter at all. What matters is that his message that he's been giving has attracted bigots and white supremacists.

    That is worth a deeper look at his message.
     
  4. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Yes, his health plan, or what he's provided, is basically just saying go back to the way it was (which would mean lots more uninsured, and a cost growth curve that takes up an ever-larger part of GDP).

    Treating healthcare like milk or bread is obviously not workable. Nobody on Earth does that, because we need health care like we need air.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    I know that Trump has said pre-existing conditions will still be covered, but in looking over the plan, I didn't see that in there.

    Was it in there and I missed it? That's entirely possible. If someone could point out to me where it is in the plan, I'd love to go over that part again.
     
  6. LabMouse

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    Clinton sucks, but she is likely going to win it in the end. Majority of black, Mexican, and new immigrants would not vote Trump.
     
  7. ima_drummer2k

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    Oh GOD. He's a bigger fraud than Trump.
     
  8. Bandwagoner

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    Complete opposite personality though. Still had strong support and big donors you could bring on board to the general.
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    The same 50% of the Republican party that would never vote for Trump today wouldn't vote for them with Carson as VP. Unless there is some kind of miracle where a brokered convention names another nominee then Trump is going to lose big and the Republican party as a whole is going to lose even bigger.

    Basically Trump is the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic party.
     
  10. juicystream

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    Removing barriers to insurance across state lines and allowing foreign drugs certainly stands to helps costs. Obamacare has failed to do much to curtail costs, with the decrease in growth mostly attributed to the economy.

    Deducting health insurance for all Americans makes too much sense.

    I support universal healthcare, but I like those 3 proposals a lot if we don't get it (though repealing Obamacare without growing Medicaid or offering tax credits similar to Obamacare will leave millions without affordable insurance again).
     
  11. Bandwagoner

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    But Carson's donors and voters follow him to Trump. Aren't you a (L)ibertarian? What do you care?
     
  12. Amiga

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    I don't see it there, which is *honest*. You will lose that as soon as you kill Obamacare.

    The things that seem *new* to me, at least from candidates are:
    - allow full deduction of health ins prem for individual (popular)
    - allow HSA (no details but I assume universally with no constraint). Also popular (I think there should be constraint but that's a full debate in itself)
    - require price transparency (sure, you won't care about price in an emergency; but in a non emergency, it's crazy that you have no idea of price until after) (so, popular)
    - allow consumer to access imported drugs (popular, will dramatically reduce drug price)
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    Because there will be significant fallout from the Trump disaster. It'll mean Hillary or Bernie are the next president, which will mean they will name the SCOTUS replacement and will likely have control over the Senate so it'll be a far left justice. That means awful things for civil liberties overall.

    It's not just an elephant and donkey problem.
     
  14. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I wouldn't lump blacks in there. There are plenty of Black Trump supporters since there are affected by illegal immigration even more than poor whites.
     
  15. Amiga

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    Trump looks to be the GOP nominee. Large part of the reason is the GOP took him as a joke with no chance to be their nominee. They didn't take him seriously.

    Clinton or Bernie would be very foolish to make the same mistake.
     
  16. Cohete Rojo

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    Mexicans and immigrants cannot vote.
     
  17. Nook

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    Yup and I expect heavy turnout for Republicans/Independents.

    Good or bad, Trump has charisma and inspires people.

    The "crazy" angle will also be minimized as Trump sprints to the center if he wins the GOP nomination.
     
  18. rockbox

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    Yes they can as long as they were born here or naturalized.
     
  19. Baba Booey

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    It's not in there. All the republican candidates supported keeping the protection for pre-existing conditions a few weeks ago, so I am hopeful that's still the case. If Trump is ready to throw people with pre-existing conditions back under the bus, he'll make an enemy of me.

    I hope we hear a lot about healthcare tonight.
     
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    Pretty sure he was referring to naturalized citizens and first generation Americans.
     

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