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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. LosPollosHermanos

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    It doesn't blend in, what happened to being "about the facts?"

    And no need to get so angry, look for yourself, although I'll have to spoiler it due to the hideous clash with the BBS background.

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    Before I forget...you're right btw..it surprised me too the first time I turned your mom around. Burger flipper and all, she told me it was the smartest head to ever come out of her the second I pulled out. And yes, the competition with them illegals is tough. She lets them have their way with her more often than not, a situation that understandably angers us both.

    I'm glad Trump will solve that end, but how are we going to abort the illegal's baby she's carrying? (not sure which one of them) Is the baby illegal in this sense too?
     
  2. Codman

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    The bet is for the White House. My whole point is that republicans and democrats will come together and vote for any candidate who is NOT Trump. He will lead a never-ending train of failure if he becomes POTUS.

    I'll take your $200 bet for the White House. He may be the "republican" candidate, but he won't win the general election.

    Deal?
     
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  3. rocketsjudoka

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    I don't think anyone should take it for granted that Trump will lose in the general. He's showing that his support isn't insignificant or ephemeral. I think he has a good shot against both Clinton and Sanders and I also think many Republicans will come out to support Trump out of party loyalty. Obviously there are many who hate Clinton and will vote against her under any circumstances. If Sanders does pull off a come back the GOP will go after him relentlessly as a Socialist and anti-Capitalist with Trump portraying himself as the defender of the free market and American ideals.
     
  4. B-Bob

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    Totally agree. I'm surprised that, after all these Trump surprises, people are still so sure that Trump would lose in the general. He would probably lose to an Obama-type campaigner, but the Dems will not have that kind of person.

    Anyway, if he survives the GOP convention, I give him easily a 50/50 shot at POTUS. That's right, folks, President Trump. A global embarrassment that will make America grate again. Unbelievable times.
     
  5. DonnyMost

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    Trump backers think he is going to come in and revolutionize government and politics.

    Trump opposition think he is going to come in and turn the country into a dumpster fire.

    The reality is more likely that Trump, aside from a few great soundbites, will be an enormously unremarkable, moderate President and get voted out after one term.
     
  6. SeekingAlpha

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    Trump vs Hilary is an interesting bet because right now I'm seeing popular polls indicate voters favoring Trump. I've also seen a few articles on predictive models leaning Trump's way. Yet the betting odds are favoring Hilary.

    One thing is for sure, there have been MORE republican voters compared to democrats and a much larger percentage increase in voter participation compared to 2008. I'd guess a large amount of that is due to a certain silent demographic now coming out to support Trump. I don't like the guy or his political ideas but he's done a good job of campaigning in a time where the conservative GOP is viewed unfavorably by large parts of the US by distancing himself from being a politician in the public's eye. I guarantee republican turn out would not be this high if not for Trump.

    Trump will do his best to turn Trump Vs Hilary into Political Outsider vs Repetitive Political Dynasty. If Trump were any one else, say Bloomberg, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, and adopted their social views (no Wall, no auto-ban on Muslim immigration, etc...) I'd vote for them in a heartbeat. But even with his wayward views, I think he's going to capture ALOT of voters who are voting for him simply because they're tired of politicians becoming President, which should say something about the US.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    I have a theory that if Trump wins he will be only a one term president. The closest elected leader I've seen in terms of personality is Jesse Ventura and his term was marked but petulance and frustration on his part with him eventually bowing out of seeking re-election. In the same way I see Trump has getting frustrated with what it takes to actually govern. Seeing how much the presidency has aged people even in the first term I think Trump will quickly realize that it's just not fun being president.

    The problem though is that in just one term a lot of damage can be done. While I don't think Trump will get a big legislative agenda passed he already has alienated allies and greatly damage US standing around the World. I think he will come in expecting he can run things like his business and when he can't will use the power of the Executive to go after political opponents. This will make it even harder to get things done but also potentially lead to a situation where the power of the Executive is used for personal ends.
     
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    TheresTheDagger posted several polls showing Clinton leading Trump.

    I do feel that Clinton beating Trump is far from certain.
     
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    I wonder if there are Democrats out there voting for Trump in order to set the table for Hillary in the general. Sort of like McCain supporters voting for Hillary in the 08 primaries to try and stop Obama.
     
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    Crazy video of the known white supremacist guy who's a Trump supporter at the rally shoving and hysterically yelling and cussing out the black lady who was at the rally as a protestor.

    Then afterwards he went to talk about how all white people should be voting for Trump. But he won't go anymore so that he won't become a distraction.

    I guess Trump has that racist white supremacist demographic locked up. Whether Trump was actually seeking that support doesn't matter. What matters is that his message appeals to that demographic.
     
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    Bring out the gimp.
     
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    The KKK, white supremacist angle is so weak. Just as weak and connecting Obama to that black racists preacher Jeremiah Wright. One key difference is Obama met, knew, worked, was mentored by Wright for several years while Trump has never met or known these white supremacists.

    Guess what, Obama announced he was not part of the church anymore due to Wrights positions and it didn't matter. Everyone still killed him for it. Guess what, Trump disavowed this KKK thing on the same day (2nd interview) it was announced and again it doesn't matter to the silly people. Again a key difference, Trump squashed it on day one, it took Obama many many years to end ties with Wright and his hateful church.
     
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    Hahahahah. The whole Christie meme is too good.

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    LOL at those PIC!
     
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    So Trump actually released something of some substance concerning health care plan. Anyone have a chance to read up on it? I quickly glanced through it and I have to said, he hit on a few good points there that are very popular.

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    I read it and it's not bad but it's not ground breaking or something that I think will make a big difference. It's a mix of Republican and Dem positions with doing away with allowing insurance across state lines, HSA's, reimportation of drugs and allowing Medicare to negotiate drug sales. It also repeals the ACA.

    Trump's fate isn't going to be decided by his healthcare policy but the election is and will be about Trump himself.
     
  18. T-Yao

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    someone on CFans is a Trump supporter? my God we have a racist on board
     
  19. DonnyMost

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    I can see Trump being a largely absentee, figurehead style President.

    He will get bored and annoyed with the position and probably resign to go run his business and do the other tool stuff he loves to do.

    Makes you really nervous about the VP pick.
     
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    I'll admit, I like those proposals and honestly seem like common sense if we are to maintain the private health care system.
     

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