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Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Not more interesting than a Hillary supporter who routinely comes into a Bernie Sanders thread to repeat the same self-assuring thought.

    If anything, you're making everyone feel more optimistic.
     
  2. bnb

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    Texas was not kind to Bernie: her delegate win in Texas was greater than his combined win the four states he won. He's losing by large margins in big states. And he'll lose Florida. It may take until June to wrap up the nomination, but at this point Bernie's electoral victories are Rubio-esque at best. He done good. But not good enough to win.

    It isn't the schedule that's rigged (wasn't changed for her). It isn't the corporate elitist media like CNN (they'd rather extend the battle so they have something to talk about), it isn't the establishment (she's leading without the supers) and it isn't the naive black voters (let's let them decide for themselves who they feel is more likely to deliver for them).

    It's math. It's voters. The kiddies will be fine. Obama was their choice in 2008 and he won. The thing with elections, is that sometimes your guy doesn't win. And just because one resonates with the college crowd, doesn't guarantee victory or make him any more legitimate.

    I'm not hating on the bern. Just pointing out the math. It will be extremely difficult for Bernie to overcome the odds. Which is why the (corporate, elitist mainstream establishment) oddsmakers are giving him next to no chance at this point.

    And doubtful she picks a bombastic 75YO as her running mate. It's about time the Dems groomed someone younger.
     
  3. plutoblue11

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    It's not shocking, there were people saying this about MSNBC a few years, ago. Once Comcast took over, some were predicting that they were going to move more to the Right, while they also felt that the network was gaining in the more cherished demos by having "more liberal commentators" on their network.

    Which is why that whole Keith Olbermann thing went down, because he wasn't known for turning his pipes off for the establishment or corporate powers that be.


    The rest history
     
  4. Nook

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    When the two people beating the Sanders drum the hardest are:

    1. Someone that does not live in the United States but believes he knows what Americans think;

    and

    2. Someone that defends Chavez and holds Venezuela out as the shinning light and has a "relatively dark Latino wife" that is afraid to go to Israel.

    Well.........

    That isn't good.

    I get being optimistic, but don't be blind.
     
  5. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Mentioning glynch's "relatively dark Latino wife" was entirely unnecessary and added nothing to the discussion, in my humble opinion. It's also a bit weird.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    It's an uphill battle for Sanders to win it. It's been that way all along.

    That being said it is still a much easier path for him to beat Hillary than for any GOP candidate to beat Trump.

    If Hillary wins, I doubt I'll vote for her. In CA the Democratic nominee will probably win the state no matter what.
     
  7. Deckard

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    I'll never understand this attitude towards an election that will likely chart the course of the nation for the next generation. How anyone can sit at home and not vote at a time like this is tossing away your voice when it counts. I will be voting in Texas, and some have said the same thing who live here. "It won't make any difference." It ALWAYS makes a difference. If nothing else, you can look in the mirror and tell yourself that you tried.
     
  8. JeffB

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    I can look my future grandchildren in the face and tell them I tried.
     
  9. geeimsobored

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    That and there are other elections besides the president on election day. Voting for your local officials (mayor and city council), state rep, statewide officials, members of Congress etc.. are all really important.
     
  10. glynch

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    You can't trust the establishment news,though for audience sake they want some liberals. Bernie was fun and boosted revenue for awhile, but Bernie gave the corporate guys a scare. After Hillary is safely the winner MSNBC will swing back to try to maintain some liberal eyeballs.

    I have seen this pattern before w. MSNBC and also much of the established media. This is done to maintain the fig leaf of objectivity. In the lead up to the Iraq War They got rid of Phil Donahue at the time, their most popular show, for having some folks opposing the Iraq War debacle. Phil said that shortly before being canned he was having 2 pro war for every one, but it was not good enough for his bosses.

    After the war was started MSNBC gradually let back some criticism, though it was for several years only of the well the Iraq War was a great idea but mishandled a bit type. .

    Cenk Ugyur if the Young Turks resigned as they took him off his popular nightly show because, after being warned, he was violating their internal policy of virtually no criticism of Obama allowed. Prior to the 2016 campaign they got rid of Ed Shultz who was seen as pro-Bernie while they let Chris Matthews go from practically crying on the air to gaiety depending on what the latest news is about his gal Hillary.

    Pls tweet or contact Chris Hayes to be courageous. Maddow seems already to have been totally brought to heal wrt to Bernie
     
  11. JeffB

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    Especially state reps. The GOP has masterfully used control of governorships and state legislatures to expand their power. Gerrymandering is the tip of what they have done.
     
  12. RocketsLegend

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    Obama supported black panthers, nation of Islam and other black supremacists groups and he was able to get elected for 2 terms.
     
  13. val_modus

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    1) The schedule was absolutely favoring Clinton. Most of the debates were on weekend nights, which exposed fewer to Bernie Sanders. We've seen quite clearly, that the more exposure Bernie gets, the better he does.

    2) To say CNN, or other corporate media elitists haven't backed Hillary is a hilarious statement. I remember on one of the CNN debates, they had to show a FOX NEWS poll on who the audience thought was winning because Bernie was destroying Hillary on CNN's poll LOL!

    3) The biggest thing deterring people from voting Bernie, is the mentality that "he has no chance, so why even bother". Super delegates supporting Clinton, establishment conditioning into our minds through different agents of socialization, and this narrative pushed forward by the Corporate media that Hillary has had this in the bag since day one all aid a lending hand towards that deterrent.
     
  14. glynch

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    Fun and entertaining in a crude way like Trump himself.

    I listened to Robert Reich yesterday accurately describe Trump as not a conservative, but an authortarian who does not believe in small d democracy, by temperment essentially a fascist. I think this pretty much is correct.

    I do think Hillary might have a hard time defeating Trump as he attacks her from the left on NAFTA type treaties which ship American jobs overseas, her support for blowing apart Iraq and Libya, her Wall Street speeches etc, all this with his racist base securely assured by his horrible rhetoric. In addition as a billionaire and the GOP he will split the establishment support with Wall Street gal Hillary.
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    LoL. First of all the initial Black Panthers groups weren't necessarily black supremacists.

    Secondly, I haven't seen any evidence of him supporting these groups. If you have some, I'd love to see it.
     
  16. DonnyMost

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    It's nice to see the correlation between ignorance, lunacy, and delusion syncing up so nicely with how ardent of a Drumpf supporter someone is.
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    I never claimed I wouldn't vote. I said I wouldn't vote for Hillary. I will vote for a third party candidate like I normally do.

    I don't sit at home. If somehow Trump was in danger of winning the state, I'd hold my nose and vote for Hillary.
     
  18. glynch

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    dupliate
     
    #1218 glynch, Mar 2, 2016
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  19. glynch

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    Thankfully my wife does not read this forum, though my son does sometimes.

    Oh well, that is the way Nook is.

    As an aside I just received a sort of invitation to visit Venezuela with a pro-Chavez Venezuelan guy I know in Houston, so maybe I will give you all a first hand report in a couple of months.
     
  20. RocketsLegend

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    But the black panthers have supported Obama in the past and according to people today that is enough to call obama a racist. See how easy it was to accuse someone of supporting racists groups? This is the treatment Trump has been getting. Why haven't you defended Trump but so quick to honor Obama's legacy.
     

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