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Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. Nook

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    Am I a moderate? I suppose it would depend on whom you ask.

    I vote "(D)" more than "(R)" and have seen both sides of society, having been extremely poor and wealthier than most people. I have noticed the differences in political opinions and can notice empty rhetoric, and while it has traditionally been a hallmark of the "(R)" party, it is not immune to the "(D)" party, especially over the last dozen years.
     
  2. dc rock

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    Have no idea why Bernie and his supporters are touting Alan Grayson's endorsements. Good grief.
     
  3. Scolalist

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    Probably because it helps them in Florida. Hopefully Bernie wins cause ain't no way Clinton beating Trump.
     
  4. Yung-T

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    I'm a German student myself, these paragraphs are plain-wrong on some things.

    "that is rigorously selective; at around age 10 students are sorted into vocational education tracks or those (perhaps 1/3 of students) who go on to gymnasium, which is essentially high school. (There are virtually no sports programs associated with high school and college btw). About 30% of German college-age youth do go on to university, nowadays. It used to be about 10%. Last year, just over 65% of American high school graduates went on to college."

    First, the number of people going to gymnasium aka high-school is at 51%, the 1/3 number is bs. Number of overall graduates attending university after school is 58%, the 30% number is roughy 20 years old.

    Second, childen and parents can freely choose whether they want to attend gymnasium/high scool or a tier below (which goes to 10th grade and still enables you to go to do something similar to high school afterwards and then go to a university after graduating) and you can also later decide to switch from one to the other, no matter how many years you're into school. Can also attend gymnasium after you've graduated from the 10yr school.

    "This “high number” (less than half of that for American students, remember) means that the system cannot afford to educate them all in what they may wish to study: a selection principle, Numerus Clausus, selects which students may go on to study high-demand areas such as medicine, for example. The free part is only tuition; to cover books and living expenses, German students, like American ones, take out loans. Study times are often quite lengthy compared to American students, because German students study much more on their own."

    The numerus clausus example is right (in principle) for the areas with a limited capacities, for example Medicine. You won't have an NC at many Universities for a ton of areas like Business, Economics, etc and you can also get around the NC in Medicine by being placed on a list for a few semesters and then getting accepted later.

    Regarding the loans: People can apply for "BAföG" and receive money from the state that covers basic living expenses, it's around 400€/month on average. After you graduate, you only have to pay half of the entire sum back. The amount you have to pay back is also a maximum of 10.000€.
    Average in USA is roughly 35k, we're paying a fraction of that.

    "Study times are quite lengthy"

    We now have Bachelor and Master for most paths, so that's the usual 3+2 years period. I'd say half of people study for 6 years to slim down their curriculum, that's still okay.

    ......


    Really hate it when I see articles that spew such nonsense and where the author is too lazy to look for actual numbers.
     
  5. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    I'm familiar with the German system and appreciate your post very much.

    But I think the overriding point of rocketsjudoku remains: it is sloppy for Americans to think we can pivot to more affordable college costs just b/c "Germany does it," when their system, and the preparation of students for college is so vastly different than our own system.

    The average level of preparation I now see coming out of our high schools in America is terrifying, in general, with a few inspiring examples as exceptions. Hard work confuses them; they've retained very little basic knowledge; and their resilience when faced with mental challenges is very low. American colleges and universities have to do a lot of remedial damage control that I don't think higher ed. has to do, to the same extent, in Germany.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    It's pretty pathetic how many students have to take 'college algebra' or trig type courses their freshman year in college.
     
  7. dc rock

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    It doesn't help him in Florida. Know anything about Grayson?

    Trump will do worse against Hillary than McCain did against Obama. He wouldn't even win the Republican primary if it had been a three or four person race and/or candidates had bothered to run ads against him instead of one another. Trump is the worst possible person to run against Clinton.

    By the way, even with Democrats lower turnout and enthusiasm levels, and Trump's supposed calcified army of support, Clinton still had more total South Carolinians vote for her than Drumpf (and more Nevadans and Iowans caucus for her, as well). She has a nationwide machine four decades in the making and he has an act a yard wide and a centimeter deep.
     
  8. B-Bob

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    At this point, I think we have to agree his political path defies normal analysis.

    He is, at present, the great mesmerist of this time in America. He plays life as a video character better than anyone since Reagan (a screen actor).

    I no longer put a ceiling on what he can accomplish, given our 140-character culture, with analysis set in 30-second increments. I really think he could beat HRC -- 50/50 shot.
     
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  9. JeffB

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    Yeah. Trump is the perfect candidate for the media industry. He is giving them ratings and they, in turn, don't come hard at him because they profit too much from the circus:
     
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  10. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    After South Carolina I bailed. Just no realistic way Bernie beats Shillery.
     
  11. Scolalist

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    96% of the votes left in the primaries disagrees.

    Buy into the what the media wants you too think
     
  12. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    That's what my GF thinks and she voted Bernie.
     
  13. Dubious

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    2 votes for Bernie in Houston
    Win, lose or draw, you have to support your preferred ideology by voting.
     
  14. BleedRocketsRed

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    I said I was not going Bernie but I did vote Bernie. Couldn't talk myself into voting for that ******* Cruz even if he is the only chance at stopping Trump whom I can't stand.
     
  15. ApolloRLB

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    Especially in a 2 person race. There is no strategy like on the GOP side where you might compromise to consolidate votes for a 2nd best candidate.
     
  16. Space Ghost

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    You know its a bad election year when straight ticket voters are crossing the isle.
     
  17. dc rock

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    Bernie should use all of this money he's raised and start a Super Pac to support Hillary in the general.

    B^)
     
  18. pirc1

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    I am sure Bernie will support HC once the primary is over, you think he wants Trump to win? :grin:
     
  19. RocketsLegend

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    But sander's supporters told me killer mike's endorsement was going to be game changer. Sanders was going to take the black votes in a landslide.
     
  20. Hey Now!

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    Not only will he graciously endorse HRC, I expect he'll make an impassioned plea for his more progressive supporters (ie the entitled liberals who, unlike their Republican counterparts, can't be coerced into voting against the Republicans because they're too upset they didn't get their way) to do the right thing and ensure that the Republicans don't seize the WH.

    This, more than anything, is my greatest fear; that too many liberals won't see a difference between Clinton and Trump/Cruz/Rubio and will sit out the general election, ala Gore in 2000. Granted, Nader provided a plan B then, and Sanders has steadfastly said he would not run as an independent, so perhaps this will be different and they'll fall in line. But, man - it makes me nervous.
     

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