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Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. ThatBoyNick

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  2. Bobbythegreat

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    LOL remember when it was just a 6 trillion dollar national debt? Today it's closer to 20 trillion. Way to go politics as usual.
     
  3. rocketsjudoka

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    You've defended him many times here on D&D even as he was shutting down opposition press and jailing political opponents. To my knowledge Hillary Clinton has never done that. Chavez wasn't slimy and unethical like Hillary Clinton. He was much much worse.

    And yes I recognize fully that Clinton is far from ideal but at the same time I'm not sure being completely ethically sound is a primary reason for president. The most ethically sound president in my lifetime was Carter. Great man but lousy president. I get the same feeling from Sanders. The reality is that the President has to make many hard decisions that are morally questionable. The president also will take heat for those decisions no matter what. Many have criticized Obama's policy of drone strikes but if he didn't he would be criticized probably harder by others for not going after enemies of the US. Further if you look at Obama's signature national security decision. Sending a SF raid into Pakistan without Pakistan's knowledge was one of the toughest calls that I've seen a President make. In regards to international law it was questionable as it was a clear violation of the sovereignty a country, that is technically our ally. Would Sanders make a call like that? I don't know if his ethics would constrain him from doing so. Sanders hasn't been in that situation. Clinton has and was one of the reasons she was in the situation room as the OBL raid was carried out.

    This is another example of simplistic / narrow view of the office. It is more than just a domestic agenda but at a time when there are real threats facing us very difficult and ethically murky decisions have to be made.
    I don't think there will be armed revolution. I think if Sanders can't get his agenda passed in a timely member there will be frustration and apathy among Sanders supporters. There will be unwillingness to engage in the type of party building I talk about because they aren't seeing fast results. Frankly that's what's happened with Obama. Obama did something that no President since LBJ did and get a national health care bill passed. Yet Liberals like yourself complain that he didn't do more and feel buyer's remorse over his election.

    Clinton probably won't wrest much change from GOP obstructionists but she will deal better with the Dem party overall. Again Obama didn't just have trouble with the GOP. He also had to wrangle together Dems to get ACA passed. This is where being the establishment candidate helps. It's a reason why people like Al Franken who are much further to the left of Clinton are still supporting her since she helped them with fundraising and campaigning the past.


    That is the Democratic primary not the general.
     
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  5. Scolalist

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    Im missing the point where he gets "hammered" interviewer just seems like an obnoxious blowhard who works for a network owned by Wall Street investors. He looks like a damn fool after Sanders is allowed to get a point across.
     
  6. Bandwagoner

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    He was asked how he would get it passed. He answered he would rally young people to have a million outside of mitch mcconnell's window. He can't even rally enough young people to avoid a 60 point blowout loss to Clinton in SC. He is delusional.
     
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    oh please. This conspiracy where if you stand up to Sanders and ask him tough questions means your part of the establishment must stop. Sanders couldn't answer a simple question as to how he's going to pass his laws.
     
  8. Smokey

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    Bernie isn't black. No one is buying his change.
     
  9. ThatBoyNick

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    That's a shame, the people have failed Bernie tonight.
     
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    Why is that? Being realist is somehow a terrible thing? I have nothing against Sanders, just that he is not grounded in reality.
     
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    He'd pass his laws like he answered, the same way every President has ever had to campaign for their own policies. Won't be hard either once a new Supreme Court Judge & Senate is voted in.
     
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    I don't mean for this to come off as insulting as it no doubt will, but how long have you actually been following American politics?
     
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    Long enough to know Sanders has a track record of getting bills passed in the Senate.
     
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    Well it is a shame that a another small state has so much importance.
    A state that always goes GOP.

    The establishment pundits and Hillary want to make it sound like it is over. It is not. Onward to Super Tuesday and California.

    People are still finding out about Bernie Sanders and the more they find out they more they like him and his policies. The more they find out about the revolution the better. The more Hillary has to keep copying Bernie's Sander's positions the better for the American people if she wins.
     
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    3 in 25 years, 2 of them was renaming post offices
     
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    If Bernie can't beat a woman with four ongoing federal investigations, god bless America.

    Sincerely,

    A Canadian
     
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    Well it is a shame that a another small state has so much importance.
    A state that always goes GOP.

    The establishment pundits and Hillary want to make it sound like it is over. It is not. Onward to Super Tuesday and California.

    People are still finding out about Bernie Sanders and the more they find out they more they like him and his policies. The more they find out about the revolution the better. The more Hillary has to keep copying Bernie's Sanders the better for the American people if she wins.
     

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