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Better Call Saul Season 2

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by dandorotik, Jan 23, 2016.

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  1. MystikArkitect

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    I like how we kind of root against Chuck and for Jimmy...but all for naught because Chuck is right. Jimmy is Slippin Jimmy. Always has been. Always will be. We all know he will become Saul and that his brother is right....yet we paint him badly anyway.
     
  2. Nick

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    Is she really though? I'm sure she'll never fully feel as if everything's over... especially since we don't know what the after-math of Walt's resurfacing was.

    Also, what about the other henchmen, Huel's sidekick?

    What about Saul's receptionist, who witnessed Walt come in and out of the office constantly... I'm sure she could/would sell her story, which would implicate Saul.

    Pretty sure Saul publicly represented Jessie... who's involvement with Walt is well known via Schrader's wife. Also, Jessie is still at large.

    In the end, there's a lot of ways that Saul could get caught up in it again... which does leave things open for a possible BCS season post-breaking bad????
     
  3. Rocket River

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    Mob Lawyers still go on all the time
    Unless you indicating that he is more hiding from the MOB than the COPS

    Rocket River
     
  4. Nick

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    He's not a mob lawyer... he's a drug lord lawyer/money depository.
     
  5. CCity Zero

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    Haha, true.. But the same thing happened with people taking Walt's side against his family (wife/bro in-law etc) or against Jessie. I mean Jessie was out and Walt brought him back in and used anything he could to keep him there/down.
     
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    BB was a juxtaposition of 2 principle characters. The increasing moral erosion of WW and the increasing moral consciousness of Jesse. In the end we get the reward of seeing Walt meet his demise and Jesse escape.

    BCS is a bit of a different animal but with the same appeal. We have Jimmy and Mike as the main characters. We know they are both criminals. We understand why Mike is what he is and the reasons for that, and we accept it and it actually makes us like him way more than we did on BB.

    While it isn't much of a stretch to see how Jimmy turns into Saul Goodman, we also don't fully understand the complexity of how that transition came to fruition, and how it appears this season that it is initially brought upon by Chuck's betrayal and possibly hammered home permanently by Kim's betrayal.

    My guess is Kim will ultimately become caught between jeopardizing her career or ratting Jimmy out, and she will choose her career over him, but it will be much more ****ed up than that.
     
  7. Scolalist

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    What does McGill say Everytime he enters the nail saloon? Chaka Khan?
     
  8. Rox11

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    I enjoy every minute of this show all the time! yall will be back and look like fools!
     
  9. ShutURBiG!

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    I rooted for Walter White all the way although he was a bad character.

    Jimmy is just a small time crook in comparison....funnier character and more likable.
     
  12. got em COACH

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    CHAO = hello
    CAC =all
    CO= ladies
     
  13. tallanvor

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    Maybe Chuck's lack of faith in Jimmy is the biggest catalyst for Jimmy breaking bad. Chuck was the one person Jimmy thought believed he was a good person (maybe Wexler too).

    I wouldn't say anyone's actions caused Walter to Break Bad.
     
  14. dandorotik

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    If you're a fan of Saul's hilarious dialogue and sayings from BB, then at the least you have to appreciate his colorful use of the language- these are just some excerpts from Season 1:

    “Listen, Starlight Express, I’m gonna give you a 9.6 for technique, 0.0 for choice of victim.”

    “You’re like Peter Minuit with the Indians…throw in some beads and shells while you’re at it.”

    “So did the Donner party when they took that shortcut.” (in response to Kim’s “Nobody stole anybody…the Kettlemans made a choice” when they switched to HHM)

    “Don’t let Mr. Ehrmantraut’s dancing eyes and bubbly ‘bon vivant’ personality fool you, he’s actually, believe it or not, somewhat taciturn. Shall I fan you gently?”

    “Not to mention the blood in your van. Here’s a thought- Ajax! Formula 409! You have no idea the tapdance I had to give those cops you get you out of here… you gave them probable cause out the wazoo.”

    “Hey Cagney, Lacey, when you realize how wrong you are about all of this…I’ll take an edible arrangement as a sorry…heavy on the pineapple.”

    “My ass is on the highway to the danger zone…if the cops keep pushing him – they’re gonna find something…and when that happens, Nacho blames me and then his guys turn me into a meat pinata.”

    “Not the loquacious sort, are you?” (said to Mike, with the Ehrmantrautesque reply, “We can’t all be as blessed as you”).

    “You go ass over teakettle, you make it a Blue Ribbon special… when she gets out of the car, you’re sufferin’ St. Sebastian.”

    “Can we all 3 just parachute down from Cloud Cuckooland?”

    “Well hey, Viagra was originally invented to treat hypertension. Look how that turned out.”

    “University of Samoa…they’re accredited- go Landcrabs! The bar exam’s a mother…failed it the first two times, but I guess it’s like losing your virginity- third time’s a charm.”

    “I’m #1 on your speed dial, right next to your weed dealer.”

    “You gotta stop putting bacon on the list…that cooler’s looking like a trichinosis stew.”

    “I’m busting my nut here everyday for $700 a throw inhaling your BM which is straight from Satan’s bunghole… and you can’t tell one defendant from another??”

    “The only way that entire car is worth $500 bucks is if there’s a $300 hooker sitting in it!”

    “There’s no reasonable expectation of privacy in that situation, is there? You can’t say it’s private if a hobo can use it as a wigwam.”

    “We don’t need Hamlin or anyone else…I mean, hey, we can Erin Brockovich the **** out of this case!”

    “You come here peddling that horse**** on me? You sure know where your bread is buttered…you’re like a damned pod person.”
     
  15. jo mama

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    chuck went behind his own brothers back to f*** his career. his own brother dawg! that is just scummy as hell.

    he despised jimmy for not having to work as hard as he did to be a lawyer and did everything he could to keep him down, while making his partner look like the bad guy in jimmy's eyes. his own brother, dawg!

    jimmy seemed to have legitimately reformed and was trying to live an honest life. when chuck bailed him out of jail he promised to get his s*** together and he really did. got a law degree, was working as a public defender, taking care of his brothers day-to-day needs.

    jimmy was always seeking approval from chuck and when he found out what he did it drove him back to crime.
     
  16. dandorotik

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    Gretchen. Well, not initially. But when he turned down that opportunity with Grey Matter, it was solely b/c of Gretchen, not Elliott. That, to me, was the true turning point, not the pilot.
     
  17. dandorotik

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    Partially. I know you've probably experienced this, but I've found that most of the people I've known from childhood are still pretty much the same, with rare exceptions. Jimmy has always been someone who's lived on the edge of the law. Sure, he has the traumatic arrest, and Chuck bailed him out, and he moved to ABQ to start a new life. But he didn't plan that scam with the skaters based on Chuck- that was due to his disgust with Hamlin (misplaced though it is). He didn't have Mike break into the Kettleman's house to steal that money due to Chuck. You see, Jimmy's been skirting the law throughout the entire S1 of Better Call Saul, and while Chuck may have had a deep influence on him turning into Saul, it's always been there.

    It's the same with alcoholics who will use an excuse like "well, after 9-11, I started drinking again..." or "after my mom died, I went back to the bottle." Those people look for that reason to turn to it- just like those who aren't already alcoholics are going to become that way due to one incident.

    People are fundamentally who they are. And while they may be able to change their behavior for a while, that part of them is always there ready to come out, and they have to work hard to repress it.
     
  18. jo mama

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    haha. youre right. i actually forgot about those scenes till you brought them up. i need to watch season 1 again!

    chuck is still an a**hole for what he did to his brother though!
     
  19. dandorotik

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    My guess is that whenever Better Call Saul ends, it will end with Saul Goodman going back to Albuquerque. I think Gene carving SG WAS HERE in the wall in this season's 1st episode means he's not going to give it up. And in the first episode of S1, in the opening "Nebraska" scene, what does Gene do? He pulls out VHS tapes of Better Call Saul commercials. The foreshadowing makes me believe that he'll go back to being Saul in the end.

    And no matter how afraid he is as Gene, and afraid of being found in Omaha, he's going to come to the point where he decides that, out of all of his personas- Jimmy, Saul, and Gene- he is truly Saul deep down- that's when he's most happy- and he's just going to say, "**** it" and return to Albuquerque- to face the music, whatever. Saul became Saul in ABQ, and it would only make sense that, like Walter returning from NH to ABQ, Saul does the same. Whether he goes to jail, gets killed, or is able to renew his legal practice, I don't know. But I'll bet the house that the last episode of the show is Gene's return to ABQ as Saul. It would not only bring Gene back to being Saul, but it would parallel with Walter White returning to ABQ in BB. My guess is that Saul won't be killed like Walt- I think Vince Gilligan ultimately wanted to have Walter White killed bc Walt killed people or hired others to kill people. A form of justice. Since Saul doesn't directly kill people (although he does look the other way and makes "Belize" suggestions), I think that he won't be killed- but maybe something negative happens, like he can't become a lawyer, but he can work at another occupation that allows him to skirt the law a bit. Completely IMHO.
     
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    Absolutely- b/c he did it behind his back... and for a long time... in BCS, when Jimmy gets his law degree, Hamlin is the one who tells Jimmy that HHM can't hire him. Yet, it's Chuck who's been asking Howard to do this all along- to be the bad guy. After Jimmy confronts Chuck, Jimmy says that he, Chuck, was the veto all along- even going back several years. The fact that Chuck went behind his back on all of this is what makes him an unmitigated prick.
     

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