Bernie runs stronger against Trump Numerous polls have show that Bernie runs stronger against Trump. Hillary has very high negatives and is intensely disliked by independents and white working class Republicans. Bernie appeals to these people more. .It has long been commented that in Vermont he has strong appeal in the rural poor white areas which is a major soucre of his strength. Let's assume the obvious that both Hillary and Bernie are popular with Democrats so to beat Trump you need to be able to appeal to independents and also if possible appeal to the white working class voters who among other things hate Hillary over NAFTA and trade issues.
Yeah... No. Clinton's political views are very similar to those of Obama and that, coupled with Sanders lack of electability, is why Obama has done everything he can in private to support HC. Elizabeth Warren gains nothing supporting a radical like Sanders. Warren is still a politician with ambitions, she gains nothing supporting the runner up, especially with it quite possible she will be in Clinton's cabinet.
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And positively effect society. Is college education only abut getting jobs now? That's a sad reflection of society if so.
I accept you feel this way, but the data just doesn't back you up. theintercept.com/2016/02/24/with-trump-looming-should-dems-take-a-huge-electability-gamble-by-nominating-hillary-clinton/ … Here is an interesting article talking of the importance that Bernie Sanders has a 30 point lead over Clinton. among the white poor voters in Appalachia, which hate Hillary and have been voting Republican recently. Bernie can successfully contest for these voters against Trump. http://mic.com/articles/136039/sand...t-virginia-here-s-why-that-matters#.2Gxpm2As8 Again most Dem voters will turn out for either Hillary of Bernie, to win there must be enough appeal among independents or discontented Republicans, most likely the white working class types who have been hurt by so called "free" trade.
In think in the general you will be surprised by how many white working class types will go Trump. I'm starting to dread it. Nobody should underestimate Trump any longer. He's winning elections by considerable margins, three in a row now.
At some point you need to acknowledge that we have yet to see how Sanders' poll numbers will hold up against sustained, relentless Republican attack ads. They've been coming after Hillary for over a year, and her national #s have held up. We don't know if the same will hold true with Bernie. Not to mention the near certainty of a Bloomberg run, if it turns out to be Trump vs. Bernie.
Exactly. Most of those points are imaginary too. - The American Dream is not outdoing the "European Dream" at this point. That's why Europe has an immigration "problem" while Mexicans are going back home. - An educated population will stop believing in the religion of free market, hence protect itself from oligarchs more. - Traditional economic indicators are not necessarily an indication of economic health once big interests have gamed the system. Egypt was one of the fastest growing economies in the world and had bested its best economic performance when most of the people of Egypt were suffering more than ever. Goldman Sachs was touting Egypt as one of the top 5 places to invest when people were suffering more than ever, and then they threw Mubarak out. When big interests become really big, they can distort the numbers. - There isn't a shortage of jobs in Europe compared to the US. - There is research which shows investment in education leading to improved economic performance in the long term. Unfortunately, it won't stop people like Trump from necessarily succeeding, but that's become a demographic issue in Europe. The countries where Trump-like characters tend to succeed in Europe are those which are still adapting to immigration. "Whiter" countries so to speak. Those countries are not comparable to the US. There is also value beyond education, especially in democracy and voting with your money when you buy things. With climate change, with health, with psychological issues like depression, with dependance on legal drugs like anti-depressants. This worship of free market and its related indicators has got to stop.
This is true, but Bernie leading in these polls remains a surprise. It's better than him not leading in the polls, it's certainly indicative of a better chance than expected. There's also something to say for how Trump's numbers will hold up when the right wing establishment candidates disappear. Are they all going to vote for him vs Bernie? I think Bernie is more likely to steal votes from Trump than vice versa. I don't think it's the case that the moment these attacks are unleashed it's over, and I don't think we've seen the worst attacks on Hillary we've seen yet. O'Malley and Bernie have taken it easier on Hillary than anyone in history, she hasn't seen real attacks at all this time around although she's a largely known entity.
No Science, Technology, etc are all thriving off each other. It's about being innovative & finding solutions. Enviromental, Medicine, etc. Sure it is about jobs too. But I'd say there's a good 30% that do some creative or good with it as well.
Bernie has been in congress for 25 years. Only three of his bills have become law. Two were renaming post offices. This guy is a total waste of taxpayer money.
Bernie is breaking new ground for democratic socialism, but what needs to happen 'next' is a charismatic national character that can associate democratic socialism with a New Testament Christian revival. Religion is about a shared trust between people, knowing you share values allows you to let your guard down, worry less that you are getting taken advantage of, trust the goodwill of others. I saw a Kevin Brady ad last night during the sports and weather break that said something to the effect that we can't let the Federal Government destroy our way of life. And this guy is head of the Ways and Means committee. I am really taken aback by this attitude when I look around and see that basically everything that makes this country great was built by a cooperative government organized effort. It will take a huge effort to get people to see Us and an US again and that government isn't Them. We have to get a sense of trust back, but as usual with human beings, we have to attribute the basis for it to a higher power than just us. You are never going to organize public trust around a purely secular idea.
I think first and foremost, charismatic and an ability to explain and defend the positions. Are you thinking of New Testament Christian revival to win back some of the right? If so, I think it's very unlikely. We saw how the very devoted religious right respond to the Pope address to Congress. Put an official D in front and... viola.
Not surprised at all, that is why it is important in talking avbout which Dem can take on Trump that Bernie appeals to them; the NAFTA Queen/ greedy Goldman Sach's speech gal not so much.
I think the right preacher could show that the characteristics of Jesus Christ are the antithesis of of the conservative values. That trust, love, humility and sacrifice are about building cooperative communities. Corey Booker is out right now with a book that approaches that message and he is truly an American hero story... but he is black, African Methodist Episcopal and sexually ambiguous. Cory Booker April 24, 2012 · Before you speak to me about your religion, first show it to me in how you treat other people; before you tell me how much you love your God, show me in how much you love all His children; before you preach to me of your passion for your faith, teach me about it through your compassion for your neighbors. In the end, I'm not as interested in what you have to tell or sell as in how you choose to live and give.
Bernie does look more promising against Trump. But is he really? He haven't had attacked focused on him like Clinton has. What a weird election cycle.
