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Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. larsv8

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    Because Bernie has the youngsters in his wheelhouse, and youngsters hang out on Reddit.

    Take a trip to an old folks home and see who they support. They probably won't be reddit users.
     
  2. TheresTheDagger

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    Educated, young, white males are the LAST thing you'll find on Reddit. :cool:
     
  3. The Stig

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    Hahaha, thanks for the prompt responses guys!
     
  4. glynch

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  5. Dubious

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    Youth is when you can afford to be a passionate idealist, driven by your testosterone. That's why nations and non-nation actors can persuade them to fight and die. It's when you have a family to support that you get more conservative and defend your status against up and comers and outsiders.

    I never had a family so I'm an old lib.
     
  6. glynch

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    Well I have had a family and am an old lib. I prefer democratic socialist.

    Some of this is generational. The folks who were born or came of age from Reagan to now have known only defeat or at best the triumph of the Clinton/Obama DLC type Dems who kept moving to the right and have catered to the big money interests to occasionally win elections while the 99% as a whole lost even when they won.

    The pundits and the contented have missed the build up of an anger among the downtrodden which even the moderates if not blinded by their contentment should hope will be in the direction of democratic socialism rather than fascism.

    As you know I am rooting and working a bit for Benrie, but I also hold out a bit of hope that if Hillary prevails she will in true Nixonian/ pragmatic fashion accede to some of Bernie's agenda if the heat is put on her. One should always remember it was Nixon who got the EPA approved, proposed a guaranteed income for all Americans and other progressive proposals.
     
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  7. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    So you're saying people have children and then they lean more towards conservatism, although it means less money/education/healthcare for them and their families?

    Frankly I think you can't judge the US in those terms as you would other countries. There are specific circumstances which have led to a mutated set of public opinions. Eradication of the left wing a few decades ago completely changed things, and the rise of oligarchy to the right of republicans is shifting everything to the right. The current American "left" is a centre for most countries. The left is dead in America, buried. Bernie is a moderate in most of the world, he's a radical in America.

    To add to that the culture of fear which was pumped into the country beginning with blacks, then the red scare which was so powerful it continues to hang around, then that became the entire left, then job insecurity, then muslim terrorists and new minorities. This stuff is ingrained, I see it when I turn a television there. The news is different, and not in a way that's aligned to imminent threats.

    What you have is a VERY frightened population - shown images of war, terror, revolution in the same way, as if to say these are all the same. As if to say anything but status quo is dangerous. Move to the left: DO YOU WANT TO END UP LIKE STALIN'S RUSSIA? Become progressive: DO YOU WANT MUSLIMS TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN? Move too far to the right: ANARCHY WITH EVERYTHING YOU OWN? Demand some civil rights: CRIMINALS WILL LOOT EVERYTHING YOU HAVE!

    It's a tough time right now, it is just healing IMO. Hillary feels right, because the scare tactics are nowhere near as bad when it comes to expanding income inequality, ignoring civil rights abuses, preventing major reform on wall street. These are acceptable, plus there's a good FEELING coming! A woman will win and women should automatically be better off!

    You can't blame Americans for resorting to conservatism when they have more to protect. All they've seen their whole lives is conservatism means no change which means the KNOWN. When you are afraid, you want what's known, you don't want to test possibilities. It's worked like a charm, but it's unravelling I think.
     
  8. glynch

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    Bernie Closing in Texas. 54%-44% Clinton Still Leading

    Hey typical story -- Clinton with huge lead due largely to name recognition with Bernie gaining as people get to know him and his policies.

    Looks like Bernie will pick up quite a few delegates in our state.
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    UT/TT Poll: Clinton Still Leads in Texas, But Margin Has Narrowed
    by Ross Ramsey
    Feb. 23, 2016

    UT/TT Poll, February 2016 - Summary

    Hillary Clinton’s lead over Bernie Sanders has narrowed considerably in Texas but remains in the double digits among the state’s likely Democratic primary voters, according to the latest University of Texas/Texas Tribune Poll.

    The former secretary of state is leading, with 54 percent, a week before the Texas primary, while Sanders, a U.S. senator from Vermont, has the support of 44 percent of the respondents.

    http://www.texastribune.org/2016/02/23/uttt-poll-clinton-still-leads-texas-margin-has-nar/
     
  9. robbie380

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  10. ThatBoyNick

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    Great townhall for Bernie tonight.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    Typical story, it won't be enough.

    Bernie's whole case is that he is somehow the spearhead of an electrifying revolution that will cause a tidal wave and overturn our entire system

    Revolutions don't mean "respectably double digits behind in some polls" - this is one of many flaws in the Bernie revolution/electability case.
     
  12. Nook

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    Sanders is toast...

    Good man, wouldn't make a good President and luckily we won't have to live through it.

    He is light on actual, realistic and workable ideas... Instead relying on crap from over 50 years ago, when Bernie hardened his values and beliefs.
     
  13. RocketsLegend

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    Reading sanders subreddit on reddit makes me depressed. People think the man is the 2nd coming of Jesus and so much racism from them. So sad
     
  14. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    What part of Scandinavian Democratic Socialism is racist? I don't think you even get the point of MLK's quote. You just threw in a racial tangent to get off topic. There's absolutely nothing wrong with looking at how other countries do things better than we do in the US. I mean why the hell wouldn't we?

    The issue of Scandinavian Democratic Socialism is one of the importance of social safety nets and education/health care within a free market system and not a greedy capitalist state with for profit health care, for profit prisons, for profit education, for profit mercenaries, etc. to the detriment of society and benefit of an elite few. The greed of a few doesn't work for American society. You're seeing it not work right before your very eyes. It's a second gilded age that's unfolding. Let's keep doing more of the same and see how that works out isn't really a good path forward.

    Bernie's real issue is that he doesn't have enough name recognition and experience in dealing with dirtbags like Clinton in this type of setting. He thinks the best ideas win and they don't in this setting.
     
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    Denmark isn't shy about it. They published a letter of unwelcome directed towards Muslim refugees. It's a homogeneous society.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    Frankly because I don't think many Sanders supporters have thought through clearly the implications of his proposals and are more enamored of his call to revolution and taking on the establishment. That even here on CF D&D there are people who support Sanders who also say they would vote for Trump speaks to the lack of intellectual depth to many Sanders' supporters.
    Considering that there are many who have gotten rich from the stock market it does happen. Further while stocks do rise and drop over the history of stocks it has grown and if you simply invested in the Dow index funds 100 years ago you would make a substantial profit now.
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    First you're making an assumption that I'm only talking about social security. I actually don't think SSI should be privatized. I'm speaking much more generally. Sanders' campaign is very ideological and boils down to essentially a class warfare economic argument. Given your history on here you clearly follow that ideology. Further since you've stated you were Sanders supporter long before he even put forward detailed proposals shows that you are less interested in the particulars and more about his overall ideological position.

    That said there are many systems that are market driven made some people very rich that many created would argue has done a fair amount of good. The market based system put in place to deal with sulfur emissions many has credited with reducing acid rain.

    My question is much more general. If a system could be shown that is market based, returns profits (which does mean will make some very rich) yet still can be show to do a quantitative good would that be acceptable to Sanders' and his supporters?
     
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  18. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    By that standard, most of Europe and America is racist.
     
  19. glynch

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    Hillary at her finest. Damn she is making it hard for me to vote for her in the general election if she beats Sanders. Those speeches must be as some have claimed her talking like she was just one of the fellow Wall Street Bankers.

    http://releasethetranscripts.com

    Hillary Clinton says she'll release Wall Street speech transcripts "if everybody does it - and that includes Republicans." #goalposts (Twitter. OKnox) twitter.com

    So Hillary has reneged on her promise to provide her Wall Street transcripts and now says she will only do it if all the Republicans do. I think that this is a disastrously dishonest wiggling and must hurt her extremely with independents.

    What is next? She really means all elected officials in the last hundred years?:)
     
  20. Scolalist

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    Sanders with a 6% national lead in the newest Reuters poll.
     

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