Rockets trade D-Mo, Thornton to Pistons for first round pick

Exactly. I mean we traded Anthony to the Sixers, JOEL ANTHONY. Why couldn't we have dumped Thornton + Jones or Brewer to the Sixers instead??? Would mean we didn't have to cut ties with DMO before seeing if he had any game left.

 

We did not want to pay him what the market rate for a player of his skill will require - same as Patterson, Parsons - and pretty much any other player we drafted.

The org is cheap.....Morey is terrible for trying to build a REAL winner - cheap never will cut it.

DD

 

It's a lot more on les than Morey. Though to be fair, Morey has done some real head scratchers lately. Not acquiring a PG last deadline. This bozo trade.

I imagine if Morey had an owner who was actually willing to spend money, we'd be much better off.

 

I don't think so, I think he is too wooden to understand the necessary chemistry fit, too married to his spread sheets to understand the eye test.

And his lack of valuing good coaching will cause him to fail unless he changes.

I think the best thing for his career would be him getting fired.

DD

 

If you are against this trade, at least give Morey the benefit of the doubt and remember the one thing we appreciate him for as a GM. He does a great job of exploring every angle.

Lets say.. the end result of his in depth analysis revealed the following:


First: Morey spoke with DMo about an extension about the exact amount DMo was demanding now and would be in free agency.

• DMo answered with an amount the organization deemed unreasonable and would not pay even in the summer.

Second: Morey spoke with every other NBA team regarding DMo's availability.

• Given his injuries and the fact Houston held the cards on his true injury status, plus his pending free agency, Detroit offered more than anyone.

At this point the organization understands: 1) DMo isn't coming back, and 2) We have the best offer we are going to get.

What's not to like?

 

I don't agree with this. Corey Brewer and Josh Smith seem like "eye test" type moves (although I hated the Smith deal) that panned out very well last year.

Our chemistry has been consistently very very good until this year.

I think Morey is annoying as hell for chasing a "third star" instead of stacking super role players around Harden.

 

WHAT? THEY BOTH SUCK - no one can look at either of their games and think they should be part of any winning rotation. Well no one that understands basketball.

Agree.

DD

 

First scenario : Morey had a draft day trade available for the 8th pick in one of the most loaded drafts of the last 20 years for DMO. If DMO was asking for too much and the organisation was determined not to give it to him, trade him then and you can draft Booker or Turner two franchise players who can shoot amazingly, and who can be stars. Or Winslow.

Second scenario : Teams do research on RFA they want to lure in FA. They actually do and have info about their injuries. At least good FOs. And let's say noone was willing to offer anything for him. That means that the teams deemed his bird rights not a good asset => not many teams will throw money at him. So why not keep him, let him play, sign him and then if you don't want him trade him when his value is back and not at an all time low.


I dont' know how can people still debate about it. When a GM sells an asset especially a young one like DMO with his bird rights, at an all time low price it's a loss no matter what.

 

This ignores the fact the during the season.. DMo suffered another HUGE injury set back. This set back, that no one fully comprehends the severity of, has DRASTICALLY changed everyones evaluation on him. If you blame the GM for this.. you're pointing the finger at someone when you shouldn't.

 

^Last year they panned out well.

And I'm not sure anyone hated the Josh Smith deal more than I did. It ended up working out for us in the playoffs.

Regardless, those two are still "eye test" type moves. I don't think he's only looking at stats.

It is what it is at this point I guess.

If this situation isn't salvaged in the summer, this is gonna turn into a disaster.

 

Thorough post. Well thought at.

Allow me to point out one thing you're missing. Some of us want to keep DMo with no fear of RFA. We want him and his agent to go find an offer sheet that forces us to decide. Until then, we play it just like we played Lowry (his first re-signing). Make Lowry go find that offer sheet, which he never did.

People keep saying you can research what other teams will pay for DMo in the future. No you can't. You cannot determine a market now on a future action. It's basic economics. People don't really know what they will pay until the time comes. They might tell you something now, but they can lie and the market can change.

So, keep DMo and make his agent go find an offer sheet that outbids us. That is not guaranteed to happen. In fact, the Lowry scenario happens as much, or the offer sheet is palatable for a match.

thx again for your take...cheers.

 

Morey is simply a man. He's a good GM, not great based on results.

What else ya got?

The Mavs overpaid for Parsons. LOL. Patterson? Are you serious? Is that another player you got too emotionally attached to?

Go become a Mavs fan if you enjoy watching an organization overpay.

And you're too emotional to ever evaluate players (and you're mocked on here for it) and run a team.

It's just stupidity to think Morey doesn't employ people with a background in basketball and only focuses on "analytics". Stop being stupid.

 

Mocked on here - by those that have no clue about basketball evaluation.



No go back to your consistent Morey worship - maybe he will hit a game winning jump shot some day.

DD

 

Point taken and understood.

I'm a huge DMo fan. Have been advocating for him prior to last season. He has also had great potential. The worry now is health and our guys that have evaluated him have a better idea of that than the teams that will be offering him in the summer. We made the trade thinking we can't match what we think his value is given that.

 

Not just this, but are you wearing blinders when it comes to Morey & Alexander? In your view they did everything wrong, we have a horrible owner. Our team has it's issues sure, but we went to WCF last year with the SAME GM and owner. They must have done something right. This year has everyone, I mean EVERYONE baffled. I guess you know why. You must know everything. You take your own frustrations out on whoever you can find, seeking Gm Morey first and then go from there. Les isn't a cheap owner, he ONLY wants a championship. Are you a proven GM? Who do you suggest?

Honestly, take off the blinders and become a little more open minded.

 

a huge setback?

So a) Arn Tellemt the former no.1 super agent in the world wasn't aware of it? There's no way Detroit trades for DMO with him haing been rulled out of ever playing again..and besides DMO was already playing in D-LEAGUE and cleared to play in the league.
b) Perfect then because DMO could be signed very cheaply. If it had changed everyone's evaluation of him, no team would tie 20 per to sign such a severely injured player. Lowball him by offering security and then wait for him to get better.

 

I just viewed heypartner's post for some reason.

Did he really just say that you can't determine current market value based on the future and then try to pass that off as basic economics??

That's exactly the opposite of basic economics (it's really finance but whatever). Seriously, determining present value based on some sort of technical analysis of future value is half of the textbook in every financial economics 101 class.

Wut.

 

What makes Parsons overpaid? Has his salary prevented the Mavs from getting another free agent due to cap reasons? I thought Nowitzki took less in order to offset Parsons?? Or are you just saying that its too much to pay, independent to whether or not it actually stopped Cuban from pursuing someone he really wants.

 

No, I didn't not say you can't determine future value based on present value. How the hell did you interpret that way?

I said you cannot determine what someone will pay for DMo 6 months in the future based upon what they tell you now

 

You can't "determine" but you can predict. I too would have preferred to see what happens with DMo in the offseason, but we are operating with far less information than the organization.

As I posted in another thread:

This is SVG's most optimistic take on DMo's health:

http://www.nba.com/pistons/features...-back-specialist-svg-gets-some-positive-input
“Obviously, it’s real key to get that checked out,” Stan Van Gundy said after the morning shootaround at Verizon Center. “But we have an understanding. One of the guys that was with him in Houston – it’s a guy I know – likened it to what (J.J.) Redick had. Said there’ll be occasional flare-ups, which J.J. had a little bit this year. But for the most part, OK now. If that’s the case, you’re going to live with a guy having to miss three or four games every once in a while to get a guy of his talent.”

Having "occasional flare-ups" is not something trivial and something that may get better down the road or may get worse. With the cap rising, a team like Detroit may have taken a chance regardless, and paid DMo more money than we willing to risk.

It's a gamble nonetheless, but I can understand taking the risk on moving DMo and getting a pick.