Rockets trade D-Mo, Thornton to Pistons for first round pick

We don't get to the WCF with Parsons on the team last year.

 

Rockets are not necessarily worse if you simply accept the fact that the season is a wash, and fast forward to this summer when we use the pick. Nothing that happens this year is going to really matter, so you must consider the 1st rounder we got ... which for some reason you refuse to do...which is weird and agenda driven, obviously

And DMo is not even an issue this year regarding us improving this last 26 games, whether he stays or not. He's injured and in rehab, so not the savior ... whether you call him that or not. And a vet minimum Thornton on an expiring can be resigned this summer if we want...or someone equivalent. Do you not understand that? sheesh.

The Thornton part was indeed merely about getting below the tax. And who really cares about that part of the trade, since we can resign him this summer. And if he doesn't want to come back, then he wouldn't have resigned anyhow,,,trade or not. Second rounders can be bought...and Les does that all the time.

Thornton was playing for a contract. He is most definitely one of the players JBB was calling out wrt not playing for the team. I can't believe people don't see that.

The new CBA does have penalties for being over the luxury/apron that limits your use of exceptions. This isn't just about saving money.

bottomline: It just sounds like you are trying to win an argument here, and not thinking clearly. I'm the last person to give up on a season, because I think playoff experience is vital to improvement. But we lose a pick if we make the playoffs this time, and we just suck. We need our Denver pick more than a playoff series against GSW or SAS.

 

Basically what you are saying is that if you consider the season already a loss and that it doesn't matter that they are worse in the short term then they aren't worse. I agree with that. This team gave up on this season and made themselves worse in the short term and are banking everything on free agency this off-season.

You're happy about that, I'm not.

 

There's no need to reserve judgement. A trade should be judged on current trade values. This trade has us losing value.
Not judging a trade 5 years after.

And just because I don't like this trade doesn't mean I think Morey is worthless.
But he isn't without fault either. He's human. Don't act like his cult.

 

Can't feel good about losing D-Mo. It looked like he would be one player the Rockets actually drafted (with a first rounder) and were having the patience to develop until he amounted to something. It seemed like he turned the corner last season. And here was about to make it back onto the court. Maybe they're just not confident he's going to stay healthy, but it looks like Detroit is. This has the looks of a Lowry-type situation where he ends up lighting it up for someone else.

 

We should have forced the Pistons to take Ty Lawson

 

DMo has done nothing to make us better this year. Sorry to say that, but you need that reminder, apparently. In no way was he going to make us better, so I actually question whether we are worse or not. I don't think we are. We might actually be better because we didn't trade Howard.

It's so weird how you think DMo is the key to everything. We are going to likely have a great last 26 games, because the team will be focused. And we will lose our draft pick and make some top playoff team sweat a few games.

That is what is going to happen.

But we are off discussion. The discussion is about the trade. The trade is DMo for a first rounder. Quit trying to add trivial stuff to that, which I soundly refuted. And we are not worse right now. We are likely better. Weird how Chemistry will work that way.

 

Thats not true.
Everyone values draft picks.
Not everyone wants Dmo.
We already know Daryl's stance as he traded Lowry for Tor pick that netted us Harden.
Also you don't seem to understand trades.
No team wants to 'lose' a trade.
Often it's a matter of meeting the different objectives.
Thus there is no way to judge a trade like this now.

 

Right...we are supposed to look at a trade without considering the value of a 2016 first round draft pick. No one does that except people trying to win some silly argument that has nothing really to do with the trade.

right...that's such a weak position for you to take.

And besides, we are not worse right now. Show me why we are worse right now. You can't just say we are. Teams often come together when a trade rumor about a star like Howard don't pan out. DMo hasn't done anything for us this year, and Thornton was playing for a contract. We are not losing that much over the next 26 games.

The rest is about merely waiting for Draft Day to decide...not 5 years. By then, we will know more about DMo's injury and what position the pick is worth. Very simple.

 

I heard from multiple sources that had DD given at least one nickel, Les would have ponied up to pay DMo long term. So thanks a lot, DD.

 

He hasn't made us better because he hasn't played but he was finally healthy and WOULD have made the team better. Instead, the team went cheap and chose to give up on the season. Apparently you forgot last season already.

The trade isn't DMo for a first rounder, it's Dmo, Thornton, and a 2nd round pick for the first round pick of a playoff team. Accurately stating what trade was really made isn't "adding trivial stuff".

I know you really want to justify this deal, but it's indefensible unless you really care about how much money Les spends or you really want a shot at the Rockets keeping their own first round pick by missing the playoffs.

 

DMo might be cleared to play, but that is a looong way from actually being game ready and contributing. Sorry, dude. You can't just say we got worse, when our chemistry is likely going to be much better, because that often happens after the trade deadline when no one in the rotation gets traded.

I know you really want to slam this deal, it's obvious. So obvious, you are trying to say I'm defending it, when I'm not. I think gambling on DMo resigning and playing well is as good as gambling on a first rounder. I'll go so far to say I'd rather keep DMo, if we fail to make the playoffs and get the Denver pick. But I also think the RFA process would have gotten messy, because DMo very likely won't get back to last year's form this year, so will be very hard to measure.

The trade is DMo for a 1st Rounder. That other stuff you are spouting is just you trying really hard to slam this trade.

 

Yes Hardens are not available in the market..and even if they were there are multiple teams with many more and much more valuable draft picks we have no chance to steal a premier talent with picks.
I understand trades just fine.

You judge a trade by the current market values. Markieff Morris got a pick with much more potential when he was a much more cancerous asset.
Meanwhile DMO was sold at the lowest value point. Only some months ago Morey refused to trade him to the same team and getting back a much better pick in the top 10 in a much better draft.

How is that good asset management?

I dont' care to win an argument. So if I have an opinion I should just change it because you happen to disagree? I have stated my arguments above.



2016 is considered a weak draft. Don't be surprised if there are draft day trades with teams trying to move down like it happened in 2013.

(same reason I was saying that the Boston's BKN pick is an overrated asset before it has been determined it's top 2).

 

^^^ If you are not trying to slam the trade like Bobbythegreat and DD are clearly doing, then you will accept that we should wait until Draft Day to pass judgement on the value of the pick and DMo's back problems. Hell, we should probably wait until we see what DMo signs for in free agency.

What is wrong with that?

 

SMH, he was cleared weeks ago, that's why he was playing in RGV, getting ready to play in the NBA. He's already gotten through that and will likely start playing for Detroit in their very next game.

I know that you are struggling here grasping that trading away the best PF on the roster and the most consistent bench scorer makes the team worse but it REALLY should be obvious. The fact that you can't even be honest about what was even in the trade is a sign that I probably shouldn't waste any more time on you though.

 

You didn't notice that he never really played meaningful minutes for us this year, because it takes awhile for a player to get into game shape. It takes NBA game minutes. If you don't understand that, then you don't follow the NBA very well.

The trade doesn't necessarily make us worse this year. Thornton did nothing to make us better. And neither did DMo. Your argument is theoretical...because of their lack of impact on W/Ls to date.

You are simply ignoring what post-deadline chemistry does for a team when none of the rotation players are traded after so many rumors.

As for the ancillary parts of the trade, I'm not repeating what I already posted to you. Please go back and read what I said about our ability to resign Thornton this summer and buy a 2nd rounder. That is trivial stuff that you are clearly overstating.

The trade is DMo for a 1st rounder. The rest is you being mad.

 

What are you talking about? I should wait 4 months to say any opinion then on any trade? lol

I though it was a fan forum.

 

Yes perhaps Morey has some kind of inside info on not only Dmo's back (which BTW Detroit if they were doing their job, with a fox like Tellem I BET they did, should have that info as well) but also info about hidden issues on Detroit that noone knows about.
So if you expect Tellem to have traded for DMO and he to have a back that has no chance to be able to play in the NBA again...then you are way too optimistic.

 

It's just sad. The ridiculous spin is just too much.

 

It depends on who you trust and what you know about them.
A FO like Demps or Cho's are not prepared. But Tellem in Detroit he was a super agent the no.1 in the world. He has a million collection with everyone. He wouldnt' have pulled the trigger if he had info DMO was done.

And yes teams before pulling trades do research that goes beyond film research.