Enough with the "Morey sucks at drafting" nonsense

Look at the all-stars this year

Durant - 2nd overall
Westbrook - 4th
Curry - 7th
Kobe - 13th
Kawhi - 15th

LMA - 2nd
Green - 35th
Davis - 1st
CP3 - 4th
Cousins - 5th
Klay - 11th
Harden - 3rd

Look at how many top 5 picks there are...Look at how many non-lottery picks there are....

It's really hard to pick all-stars, especially in the west. Draymond Green thats basically it.

 

I was curious as to what the real number is of all-stars drafted between 12-26 so I looked it up. Between 2007 and 2015, there have been 4 all-stars drafted between pick 12 and 26. They are Roy Hibbert, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague, and Kawhi Leonard. The only all star drafted in the 1st round after pick 26 is Jimmy Butler (30th pick).

Also out of those 5 players, only ones that were picked after the Rockets' pick were Lenoard and Butler. So it absolutely shows how difficult it is to draft an all-star with a mid to late first round picks.

 

It seems you have a better shot at finding at all-star level player in the second round.

All-Stars
2007 - Marc Gasol
2008 - x
2009 - x
2010 - x
2011 - Isaiah Thomas
2012 - Draymond Green
2013 - x
2014 - x
2015 - x

All-NBA
2007 - x
2008 - Deandre Jordan, Dragic
2009 - x
2010 - x
2011 - x
2012 - x
2013 - x
2014 - x
2015 - x

 

No way he would be the same player on this team coached by morons and dealing with harden's insecurity about being THE MAN

 

Just got listening to Morey's vertical interview...holy crap the guy sounds down, just absolutely defeated.

 

The whole premise of the OP is just wrong and this debate is just barking up the wrong tree.

Morey's ability to pick good players in the 2nd round is undeniable. There should be no debate.

Morey doesn't "suck" at drafting. He is just not great, not like his 2nd round drafting. What that means is that Morey does not have an edge over other GMs when it comes to drafting in the 1st round.

That should not be surprising. What Morey has better than most other GMs has always been his ability to use analytic tools to find value in players where other GMs do not see. But statistical analysis is only as good as the amount of data you can gather. And the data tells you what has happened, not what will happen. So the more a player plays on a high level, the more accurate analytics can judge.

Second rounders are usually late bloomers who play through 4 years of college ball. High first rounders are players with great upside who usually enter the draft having played only one year college ball. The amount of data for these high upside players are significantly less than those in the 2nd round.

This is why the higher the draft position, the less advantage Morey has over other GMs.

Also, judging potential is not an exact science. There are lots of human factors that determine how a player will turn out. These factors cannot be analyzed by statistics. This is especially true when Morey does not seem to put a lot of value on character. The lower the character of a player, the less reliable of predicting his future behavior based on his past.

 

Was it what he said, or how he said it. Maybe he was just tired from no sleep???

 

Sounds exhausted and speaks with zero morale.

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He probably hadn't been sleeping for more than a week, on the phone 24/7.

 

I bet he even has his team hit him with fake phone calls for practice. They'll pretend to be the opposition GM to see how alert and creative he is at one-on-one play calls -- to see how well he ISOs to opposing GM. And then they'll replay the phone calls to go over what he did well and what he can improve upon.

 

Morey sucks as a GM other teams are using him as a real doll now, and players are using us as an asset too, we will never win with DM as aGM.

DD

 

Why because he got rid of your precious player Dmo. Bwhahaha hey look I don't like a lot of things he did either but lets be real, overall he's done a great job.

 

No because he sucks as a GM - and players don't want to play here because of the Spread**** culture he created.

DD

 

Howard wanted to play here when he was still playing at a star level and could've played anywhere. Smith seemed pretty happy to get back here. Lawson waived ten figures to play here. Terry chose to come back here last summer. So did Brewer and Beverly.

Ok draft record and landing two stars despite not being allowed to tank doesn't translate to sucking.

 

Kawhi would not be a star in Houston's system. The Spurs use him in the best way possible.
He would be a stopper, he would still drill 3s but not at a 48% clip. He would have ZERO midrange. He wouldn't be as dynamic as he is if he were with us.

 

holy **** dude STFU.

 

Truth hurts, huh?

Morey's ideology, and way of going about doing business kills loyalty, kills organizational reputation with players, and makes it hard on fans to identify with player because they are gone the next season.

Am I pissed, **** YES, because this is my team, one I have followed since 1972, and this is the least amount of faith I have had in Les and the organization, they have proven TIME and TIME again that $$$$ matters more than winning.

Hip Hip hooray - our owner gets to keep more money and we get to cheer for a team that is less exciting and weaker - NOW that is worth cheering for, right?

DD

 

Look, DaDa is a reactionary dolt, but one thing he sort of almost gets right is this:

The perception of the team as being run by a nerd and a spreadsheet culture is echoed by media members who want to tear down the Rockets and analytics. This happened in baseball as well. Old guard media and in particular old school players tend to HATE metrics and they really hate NERDS coming into the game and using fancy stats instead of the eyeball test. They hate it. Almost every old player will be convinced that he "knows what it takes" to put together a team and doesn't need stats.

This echo chamber in the media bashing the Rockets for doing things this way is a negative for the team. We as fans of the Rockets are somewhat immune because it is our team, but outsiders are jaded by media coverage.

 

You're basing this off your personal feelings DD. You Were Extremely confident with your stance about us keeping Dmo. There is plenty evidence and witnesses to that notion big timer. Shoots I remember you calling me out my name several times when I didn't agree to your point of view.

Lol man its going to be ok. It's just business