Enough with the "Morey sucks at drafting" nonsense

So according to you last June : Let's wait and see if Kawhi Leonard is a bust or not.

Even though he's a FINAL MVP, A DPOY and a champion. Because he hasn't signed his max extension yet.

 

Morey was assistant GM, right?

Yeah, like he wasn't involved.....you knew that though right?

DD

 

His first rounders need this context :

In comparison with the good GMS he has been unable to find a franchise cornerstone, or an all star or near all star.

He is not a good drafter.
I don't know how much you are trying to excuse it, it is simple.
In 8 years the good drafters have found elite talent in the first in outside the top 10 picks. He has not.

Not great but not bad in 8 years => bad drafter. Most GMs don't make it to 8 years to have the opportunities he has had to draft so many first rounders.
If he was a good drafter it would have shown by now.

 

Oh, the assistants make the final decisions, my bad...

Plus, Gay turned out to be an all-star who carved out a great career in one place right? The popular saying that the team Gay leaves wins the trade, that's a compliment, right?

 

I think the only context needed when drafting is; What do we have (of quality), What are our needs, Who's available.
When you consistently pick the same position, without getting better at that position there is a problem. Especially when the top area of need goes unaddressed. There was a point where I couldn't wait for Morey to prove everyone wrong and shut up Sir Charles and their ilk. After last year I just knew we were close.
Now I'm starting to believe what DD has been saying all along was correct.... The way Morey drafts he is able to pick enough flip-able players to perpetuate his own mythical status.

 

Youre whole argument mostly hangs on these good drafters individually getting one pick right...

how the hell does not great, but not bad, equal bad?

 

I was really about thinking about what you just posted while reading the previous posts on Kawhi. I would think that he is thanking his lucky stars (pun not intended) that he was drafted by the Spurs and not the Rockets. Otherwise, he would have been relegated to a one dimensional player stationed outside the three point line on offense, and an all-coverage player trying to defend the guys going through the sieve which is the Rockets' defense.

 

iN 8 years?
Yes.

If he wasn't one of the longest teanured GMs and had only a few opportunites it would have been different.

In 8 years a good drafter finds elite talent. Examples I have already given.
In 8 years a bad drafter doesn't find elite talent.

Usually GMs get fired by then so they dont' have the opportunity to keep drafting.

 

LOL. A proper roster? How vague.... A roster according to DD.... I'll pass.

LOL. You're the one who gets emotionally attached to players.... How many players has it been?

Morey "flips" players because he's not going to overpay for role players and because Les isn't going to pay the luxury tax for a middling team.

Lets be honest, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes and you are just simply frustrated.

 

1. Chandler Parsons
2. Terrence Jones
3. DMO
4. Aaron Brooks
5. Clint Capela
6. Patrick Patterson

LOL....No one player has the potential to be all star player....
Caplea is still playing like Joey Dorsey now...

 

That's one player out of your list and there's no other player who has near that potential in your list.... That how many other teams passed on as well?

Can you use critical thinking instead of playing gotcha with my responses....

 

I don't think that one needs some kind of special critical thinking to believe that ALL of the players I have posted WILL get extensions.
All of them are considered franchise cornerstones. (YES, even Hood).

To say a franchise cornerstone is not going to get even extended?
When Terrence Ross just did? ...

 

And? All those players have gone on to get paid and still remain in the NBA ( that are not currently on the Rockets team). You can Marcus Morris to that list too. What about Scola, who Morey acquired from the Spurs?

Morey isn't a wizard but he has done above average with the picks he's had and evaluating talent.

 

well then I guess we have different standards.
The title thread says :
Enough with the "Morey sucks at drafting" nonsense

If you think that Morey doesn't suck because his picks get to be 7-10 rotation players off the bench then ok.
To each their own.

I personally have higher standard when I call someone a good drafter.

 

And the cap is rising by how much? Ross as a % of the cap coming up isn't that spectacular. Like I said, context does matter.

Again, most of the players we draft get paid by someone else.... Most of the players Morey has drafted are still in the NBA. Aside from Parsons, Morey hasn't drafted anyone spectacular but he can consistently find good role players.

I'd rather have Morey drafting on our team than 3/4s of the other GMs. Is Morey overrated? Sure this is a Rocket's fan site but proof is in the pudding.

 

You're playing semantics. Morey doesn't suck at drafting. I'd say he's right above average even given where he drafts. People have a short attention span about the players we've drafted and acquired who have come through the Rockets under Morey.

 

How do you know that being part of the spurs organization, the coaching and the system is not what's turning their draft picks into solid players?

Just because we could have drafted him doesn't mean he would have turned into the player he is now. Just saying.

For all we know terrence jones could turn into duncan if he was drafted by the spurs.

 

You will only take 8 gms at drafting over Morey?

I will take :
Denver's
Utahs
Spurs
GSW
Mil
OKC
Pistons
Suns
Wizards (that's not completely fair to Morey due to different draft positions but I do trust more Grunfeld's evaluation)

I will take Morey over the following : Charlotte, NOP (Until Dumars is back next season), Sacramento and the current Chicago.

No opinion on Minny because they do't have a GM.

Different standards as I said. It's fine.

If you are happy with Morey's selections just because they make a 4+ year carreer I envy you.

 

The Spurs organisation pay the most attention to characters and bball iq. Morey doesn't.
So they would never have drafted Jones.

 

Most of the contenders out West have drafted one franchise all star caliber player with late 1st round picks or 2nd rounders. Maury is a pathetic first round drafter and an ok 2nd round. Even his good picks, he lets them go under the name of asset collection like Batum

GSW - Green
Spurs - Kawhi, Manu, Parker
Clips - DJ
OKC - Ibaka

Meanwhile Maury is busy drafting busts like Royce White or Sam Dekker or Mook over Kawhi