Enough with the "Morey sucks at drafting" nonsense

btw Ainge, Moreys mentor, and Hinkie who learned the GM job next to Morey are also bad drafters. Coincidence?

 

Pretty sure he'd be considered good if we just had higher picks..

If he had 4 straight top ten picks like some teams, he'd probably nab 2 stars, 1 role player, and one bust.

 

How about Morris over Kawhi?

DD

 

except that good drafters drafting outside of top 10 have managed in the span that Morey is a GM to find great players, franchise cornerstones and even stars.

 

But the team's philosophy to never get into the lottery means Morey will always be picking at the low end.

He needs to be able to find the Draymond Green type players... this is probably the most important part of his job.

 

morey is pretty average at drafting. i thought there's no argument in that...

and iirc ab was adelman's pick, not morey's.

also, his windmill trades really hurt chemistry-building. we're probably the only team that has a huge revolving door.

 

Last time i checked, we didn't have Pop/TD/Manu in our corner. To give Kawhi all the credit, as to how good he's become, is naive. Leonard wouldn't be a star here. If Morris goes to SA, and Leonard comes here, the gap wouldn't have been that far apart.

 

Well, when you constantly trade your guys before they get paid, they develop elsewhere.

DD

 

He's done well in the late picks...you can't judge someone by how many all-stars they can or can't pick in the second round. There are hardly any at that point, period.

 

how many near all stars has picked in the first round?
How many years he is GM again?

 

Eight - and that is enough..time for him to go.

DD

 

How about you take a look and see what those players have gone and done. Most of them got overpaid by someone else. Morey has shown he can consistently find NBA level talent in the middle of the draft.

 

You have a list?

If you add them up and their selections, then you're technically right, but what they have done individually compared to Morey and relative to their team's position? All that matters and influences picks.

 

All stars aren't usually found in the middle of the draft.

Did you forget that other teams draft before the rockets and grab players we may have picked up or targeted? Some of you folks forget that there are other teams going for the players we target.

I'm not happy with the move today but the rockets know more about DMo's health more than any other team and didn't want to gamble on it for the price DMo was going to get on the market (or by the Pistons).

 

Horse crap you have been ****ting on DMo forever, don't pretend to like him now.

We don't EVERY pay guys after their rookie deals - we are a cheap team - who has no clue how to build a winning roster.

DD

 

What about it?

 

What does that have to do with me responding to someone saying he should pick the Greens of the late and second round? If that's how you want to discuss every GM, then everyone is bad, unless they're picking all-stars in both the first round AND second round consistently.

 

OK. In eight years the good drafter GMs have found near all star talent. franchise cornerstone/ extremely high potential to be in the future allstars.
Even when their picks are 10+
Utah : Hood, Gobert
Denver: Nurkic, Jokic
SAS: Kawhi (MVP caliber)
MIL: GA, Sanders (regardless of what he became after)
DET (Dumars used to be an amazing drafter) : Middleton
CHI: Butler (that was before they fired their head scout, who I believe has now joined Orlando)
PDX: CJ(pick 10)
GSW: Green
OKC: Ibaka, Payne, Adams.
That's what the GOOD drafters do.
If you are a GOOD drafter you will find in 8 drafts a franchise cornerstone at 10+.

The difference between the good, and the meh drafters.

 

In all honesty, its hard to ask of a guy that has barely played the game, let alone at an NBA level.

 

OP you have to do better than that. To prove that Morey is great at the draft, you have to:

1. Recognize that people aren't criticizing his second rounders, but his first rounders.

2. Show not just how well his picks do, but also how many good ones he could have drafted but didn't.

3. Compare his draft day trades, the picks he traded away (what he could have got) and the players he got from trading those pick.

4. Compare his track record to those of other GMs.

I know. It's a tedious task. But since you are enthusiastic about this topic enough to create a thread, I would want to see a little more work on this.