Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

Nah... If this country is 'doomed' it has nothing to do with being 'overly pc' but rather kids from other countries going into college knowing basic differential calculus while us Americans believe it to be 'advanced mathematics'. Too many kids wasting 4 years of their life learning useless majors such as political science and humanities.

 

I guess you can be a progressive or conservative Populist if you consider the the Corporatist as not representing either point of view of the people.

But:

Sanders has long list of very specific policies he would promote.
Trump has nothing but the disillusionment, with no rational policies.

 

I'm a poli sci major who now works in the software industry. I have no ability to write code and I've managed multiple software products and countless developers and testers.

I feel its all too easy to bash humanities but what makes me good at my job is my ability to communicate, write, and critically think about technology and the ways in which we can grow our products to serve our customer base while focusing on the 10000 variables that also impact our decisions. Those skills dont just happen by learning how to code or studying math or science.

What makes American students special (in spite of the poor math and science education) is our critical thinking abilities are fantastic. Humanities taught me analytical and problem solving skills that are so hard to come by in the software world. Hell art majors are great too for UX design. The best UX designer I ever worked with had an art degree and also could barely code. But he had fantastic ideas for how to design our the front end of several of our products.

Companies like Apple and Google don't go anywhere without people with humanities backgrounds. Their software would be garbage without them. The same goes for other fields like health care or electronics.

Now dont get me wrong, if I had a do-over I would've double majored in Poli Sci and a more technical area. But the Poli Sci degree still has value. It certainly isn't worthless.

 

Compared to Hillary, Bernie lacks some nuance. He doesn't have an explicit tax plan. However, compared to Trump, Bernie is an ultra pedantic nuance policy machine. Trump is absolutely nothing except vague platitudes.

In a one on one general election debate, Bernie would eat Trump alive with nuance.

 

I didn't assume. The title of the video actually says young voters though I did assume voters are people. Maybe you have some evidence to the contrary. But it's an excellent point, there's a real epidemic of ageism towards college students. Nice job.

 

That may indeed be the case. But in my personal situation, and I would guess at least some of the other Sanders it is slightly different.

I don't think we actually believe that Bernie will get everything based the way he talks about it now, or that he shouldn't compromise and instead make perfect be the enemy of good.

It's a matter of tactics going into negotiation. Obama went in wanting one thing, but knowing that he couldn't get it, so he compromised before proposing what he actually wanted. We know he wanted single payer, but never proposed it. Instead he he watered it down beforehand.

I believe that had he did the Republicans work for the, which is why the bill is the Republican/conservative bill of old. That's what we got. It also gave the Republicans the chance to all vote against it, use it as proof of how uncompromising and true to their principals they are to their constituents, and also pretend like Obama couldn't win one GOP vote because of his unwillingness/inability to work across the aisle.

Had he gone in, and proposed what he really wanted, the Republicans could have proposed all the same changes they did, and it might have ended up the same, or possibly a slightly stronger bill. It wouldn't give the Republicans the ammo they had, but would have allowed the Republicans to go back to their constituents and brag about all the compromises they forced on Obama. That would have laid the ground future compromises and more to actually get done. Instead it set the precedent of complete obstructionism.

It's a tactical difference, and I believe (possibly others too) that Bernie will at least start with what the Democrats really want, rather than doing all the compromising for the Republicans before even starting.

Obama did it several times, not just with healthcare before finally realizing that he won't get props for coming in with an already compromised proposal. So it isn't that we support a guy who won't compromise but one who won't compromise ahead of time.

 

those students were given instruction and are fans of the show.

 

DUBIOUS

Can you read my post?

 

First Nevada poll since Dec. shows Clinton's 20+% lead now a Clinton/Sanders dead heat heading into the Feb. 20th primary.

New Quinnipiac national poll has her lead cut too just 2%

I think the more America sees of Sanders/Clinton debates and him being more trustworthy, genuine and wanting real change and Sanders finally getting major media coverage and being considered a viable candidate, appearing on SNL w/ Larry David, getting more and more celeb endorsements, better press too younger voters, etc. this trend will grow in his favor.

 

Points. I think the above is a realization of the dem voter base also, which is why Hillary's support is waning. America already elected a practicalist, there's no reason to elect another one given what FB pointed out.

 

Yeah but I don't remember what we were talking about exactly . It was something about socialism being scary and Bernie being a scary socialist, that's all I remember. The Red Scare comment was something about that, that during the Cold War the US propaganda equated totalitarianism with socialism until the ideas were confused. It served the purpose of falsely defining the difference between 'us and 'them' and that was exploited by capitalist to villainize unions and worker's rights.


Confusing the differences between propagandized "socialism" and the American ideal of Democratic Socialism, is a pet peeve. I wouldn't care if you weren't a poster I respect. But I mostly just type to crystalize my own thoughts. It never fails to amaze me at how different fairly like minded people's interpretations of written words are on here.

 

Nice.

 

about 300k kids take ap calc test every year. By the nature of the occupation you don't need a lot of people for engineering. If we do our job right we can make things way more efficient. I am personally responsible for about $10 mil worth of the product. I do a large chunk of the overall design. The stuff I give to other people you don't really need to know calculus. Heck I barely use calculus. The thing is is some of the equations I use I don't think you can solve. You have to go look up the answer or solve it numerically.

 

I just don't see how humanities or political science involves as much critical thinking skills as advanced mathematics courses like differential equations and advanced engineering science courses. Majors such as poli sci or humanities, if you put in the work, read the material, attend all your classes, accomplish all assignments in a timely manner, you will receive a respectable GPA. In engineering majors, you can put in all the work, and still receive a poor GPA. If you don't get it, you don't get it.

 

I was making a more general statement that the United States is behind other nations in science and math. Calculus was just a small example relative to other nations. My whole point is our deficiencies in math and science education is a much larger threat to the 'downfall of America' than 'pc culture'.

 

I wish you would have actually read my posts because that wasn't anything close to what I said. Maybe you confused me with someone else because I clarified my positions a few times after you said that. I never said Bernie was scary at any point, because he isn't . I just think he has some really strange ideas that don't make much sense at all and I expounded upon that in my posts.

And thanks for the nice words. You are a gentleman and a saint.

 

Like robbie, I also think Bernie has some very strange ideas. Sure, I actually like some things about northern European societies, their healthcare systems and their educational opportunities.

But it would take a rip in the fabric of spacetime to get America to lurch in that direction. I literally mean it is impossible, for instance, to make "college free for everyone." Unless you completely change what college means in America, that is impossible. It would also be an enormous boon to the most privileged class and not as much help as you think to the poor, all for a vastly inferior educational product.

So the fact that Bernie talks in serious tones about free college for all makes me question (for this voter at least) his credibility. I don't mean his sanity, but where the **** is he coming from with stuff like that?

 

I switched from engineering at UT after two years to a history and govt minor to improve my reading, writing, and critical thinking skills. I was burned out on engineering and the math and physics were taught amazingly poor. They taught in a fashion that weeded you out rather than actually encouraging learning. It was very mechanical and didn't involve much creative thinking in my opinion.

The history and government classes were very tough for me because I'm not an amazing writer and my reading skills are not spectacular. However, I think the skills and knowledge I acquired in those fields have benefitted me much more in life than things I learned in my base engineering courses. I had some amazing professors that taught in ways that made me view the world differently and changed how I view everything in life. I've carried those skills and ideas with me long after college and the things I learned in my base engineering courses have pretty much all been forgotten.